The Macedonian Dispute

Preface

The “Macedonian Question” is today actual for several reasons of whom two are of the fundamental importance:

1. The Albanian secession in the FYROM;

2. The Greek dispute with the FYROM authorities over several issues.[1]

For the matter of illustration, for instance, Greece is so far blocking Macedonia’s joining the NATO and the EU because of an on-going dispute between the FYROM and Greece. The main disputable issue is a title of “Macedonia” used in the country’s Constitution in the form of the official state-name as the Republic of Macedonia.[2] When the ex-Yugoslav Socialist Republic of Macedonia voted for independence on September 8th, 1991[3] as the Republic of Macedonia that was confirmed as the official constitutional name in November 1991[4], Greece became with a great reason immediately reluctant of recognising the country under such official name in addition to some other significant disputable issues in regard to the independence of FYROM.

In essence, according to the Greek administration, the use of this name is bringing direct cultural, national and territorial threat to Greece and the Greek people. The Greeks feel that by using such name, the FYROM imposes open territorial claim on the territory of the North Greece that is also called (the Aegean) Macedonia. To make things clear, Greece claims and with a right reason, to have an exclusive copyright to the use of the name of Macedonia as the history and culture of ancient Macedonia were and are integral parts of the Greek national history and civilization and nothing to do with the present-day “Macedonians” who are the artificial creation by the Titoist regime of the Socialist Yugoslavia after the WWII.[5]

A Basic Historical Background

Alexander Empire Map
The Empire of Alexander the Great (IV BC)

A present-day territory of FYROM was formerly part of the Byzantine, Bulgarian and Serbian Empires until 1371/1395 when it became included into the Ottoman Sultanate followed by the process of Islamization. The Christian population of the land was constantly migrating from Macedonia under the Ottoman rule especially after the Austrian-Ottoman wars and uprisings against the Ottoman rule. After the 1878 Berlin Congress, Bulgaria started to work on annexation of all historical-geographic Macedonia and for that reason it was established in 1893 openly pro-Bulgarian Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (the IMRO). After the Second Balkan War in 1913 Macedonian territory became partitioned between Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria. During the WWI, Macedonia was a scene of a heavy battles between the forces of the Central Powers and the Entente (the Salonika Front or the Macedonian Front). After the WWI, according to the Treaty of Neuilly, the territorial division of historical-geographical Macedonia between Serbia (now the Yugoslav state), Greece and Bulgaria was confirmed followed in the next years by a large population movement which transformed the ethnic and confessional composition of Macedonia’s population primarily due to the population exchange between Greece and Turkey after the Greco-Turkish War of 1919−1922. In the interwar period, despite continued activism by the IMRO terrorists from Bulgaria, the aim to annex the Yugoslav (Vardar) Macedonia became unfulfilled. After the WWII, the Vardar Macedonia became transformed into one of six Yugoslav socialist republics (the Socialist Republic of Macedonia) followed by the official recognition of the Macedonian nation, language and alphabet by the Yugoslav communist authorities – a decision which alienated Bulgaria and Greece from Yugoslavia.[6]

The proclamation of state independence of the Yugoslav portion of Macedonia under the official name the Republic of Macedonia immediately created an extremely tense relationship with the neighbouring Greece as Macedonia developed rival claims for ethnicity and statehood followed by the appropriation of the ancient Macedonian history and culture. This Greco-Macedonian rivalry became firstly epitomized in a dispute on Macedonia’s official state-name for the very reason that Greece objected to the use of the term Macedonia in any combination of the name of the state of its northern neighbour.

An Origin of the Dispute

The dispute between Greece and the FYROM regarding the Macedonian official state-name came on agenda when ex-Yugoslav Socialist Republic of Macedonia adopted its new Constitution in November 1991 in which the country official name was declared as the Republic of Macedonia. As a matter of political fight against the FYROM Government, Greece blocked the European Union (the EU) to recognize Macedonia’s independence[7] and on December 4th, 1991, the Greek Government officially declared its good will to recognize the independence of ex-Yugoslav Socialist Republic of Macedonia but only if it would:

  1. Made a clear constitutional guarantee of having no claims to the Greek territory.
  2. Stop a hostile propaganda against Greece.
  3. Exclude the term “Macedonia” and its derivatives from a new official name of the state.

Macedonia and EUThe first of these three conditions was a Greek reaction to the disputable Article 49 in Macedonia’s new Constitution which declared that the Republic of Macedonia cares for the status and rights of those persons belonging to the Macedonian people in all neighbouring countries as well as the Macedonian expatriates, assisting in their cultural development, and promoting links with them.[8] This article was interpreted by Greece as an indirect reference to the (unrecognized) Macedonian minority (i.e. “Slavophile Greeks”) in the North Greece (the Aegean Macedonia) and it was perceived as a threat to the territorial sovereignty and integrity of Greece. The EU concerning this matter supported Greece and stated in the same month that it would only recognize a new Macedonian state if it guaranteed to have no territorial claims against any neighbouring EU member state[9] and not to engage in any act against such state, including and the use of a state-name that potentially can imply the territorial claims. Basically, only under the pressure by Brussels, the Parliament (Sobranie) in Skopje amended Macedonia’s Constitution in January 1992 and as the results, the formal constitutional guarantees were provided that the country would not interfere in the internal affairs of other states and would respect the inviolability of the international borders of any state. Macedonia’s authorities fulfilled only the minor EU requirements, hopping to be soon recognized by the same organization, but two crucial problem-issues (the state-name of Macedonia and the Article 49 in the Constitution) which caused the fundamental Greek dissatisfaction, still remained unchanged. Therefore, the EU sided with Greece and decided in June 1992 not to recognize the republic if it uses the term Macedonia in its official state title.[10]

However, at the first glance, it may seem that the EU supported the Greek policy in 1991 toward the Macedonian Question as it aligned itself with Greece as a member state of the bloc, but in fact, it was not the case. Greece’s position and arguments have been publicly rejected and even ridiculed by the officials from several EU member states, but three crucial real politik reasons made the EU to officially side in 1992 with Greece in her dispute with the FYROM:

  1. In an exchange for the EU support on the Macedonian Question, Greece promised to ratify the Maastricht Treaty (signed in February 1993), to participate in sanctions against Serbia (its traditional ally), and to ratify the EU financial protocol with Turkey.
  2. By taking the same position as Greece, the EU demonstrated its own internal political cohesion and unity, trying at the same time to thwart the use of Greek veto right in order to protect its own national interest within the EU.
  3. A last factor that contributed to the EU support for the Greek case was a fear that the Greek Government might fall if the Republic of Macedonia would be recognized under that name.[11]

Alternative Official Names for Macedonia

A variety of alternative names for ex-Yugoslav Socialist Republic of Macedonia were proposed after 1991 in order to solve the problem and normalize relations with Greece – a most important Macedonia’s neighbour and economic partner. It was quite clear that Greece herself would not accept any kind of state-name that includes a term “Macedonia” and therefore a variety of solutions without a term of “Macedonia” were suggested by Athens, ranging from Dardania and Paeonia (used in antiquity to name regions to the north of the ancient Macedonia) to the names of the South Slavia, the Vardar Republic[12], the Central Balkan Republic and the Republic of Skopje (named after Macedonia’s capital). All other name suggestions which used the designation Macedonia, mainly proposed by the Macedonian side, were in no way acceptable to Greece from political, historical and moral reasons. What Greece could accept as a kind of temporal solution was the state-name of the country with the designation Macedonia but only to make clear difference between Macedonia as a former republic of Yugoslavia and Macedonia that is a region in (the North) Greece. These solutions included names, for instance, the North Macedonia, a New Macedonia or the Slavic Republic of Macedonia.[13] Greece even suggested that a new state of Macedonia could adopt two names: 1. One official for the external use, without mentioning designation Macedonia, and 2. One unofficial for internal use, which could include designation Macedonia. However, all these Greek solutions were rejected by the Macedonian authorities who insisted on the recognition of Macedonia’s independence exactly under the constitutional name of the Republic of Macedonia.[14]

The FYROM and the “Sun of Vergina”

The ex-Yugoslav Socialist Republic of Macedonia was gaining the international recognition step by step, although not in majority cases under its constitutional name as the Republic of Macedonia. By early 1993 the new state was able to become a member of the International Monetary Fund (the IMF) under the name the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (the FYROM)[15] and by April 1993 the United Nations (the UN) also admitted Macedonia under such provisional name as a temporal compromise between the Macedonian and the Greek authorities. It was agreed that a permanent state-name of Macedonia that is going to be used in the foreign affairs had to be decided later through a process of mediation by the UN. However, the FYROM was not allowed to fly its original state flag (from 1991) at the UN headquarters as the official state emblem as Greece strongly opposed such idea.

The real reason for this Greek decision was basically of the essential nature of the political conflict with the authorities in Skopje as the flag was composed by the yellow-coloured sixteen-ray sun of star from Vergina on the red-coloured background. The background colour was not a problematic issue, but the yellow “Sun of Vergina” on the flag, however, created the fundamental dispute between two states together with the issue of the official state-name of Macedonia. The Greek Government strongly opposed the Macedonian authorities to use the “Sun of Vergina” as a state emblem at least for two good reasons as:

  1. It was an insignia of the ancient Macedonians of the Macedonian Empire.
  2. It was found between two world wars in Vergina that is an ancient town on the territory of the present-day Greece but not of the FYROM.

SkopljeThe Greek authorities is understanding the “Sun of Vergina” as a symbol which has nothing to do either with the territory of the FYROM or with the ethnic Macedonians, or better to say, with Macedonia’s Slavs.[16] The Greeks are clear in this matter having a position that the history and culture of the ancient Macedonians does not belong to the historical and ethnic heritage of the FYROM but quite contrary, they belong to the Greek (Hellenic) inheritance. Therefore, the use of the “Sun of Vergina” by the FYROM authorities is seen by Greece as an act of falsification of history and a cultural aggression on the state territory of Greece with unpredictable political consequences in the future. That is the same as well as with the cases of naming certain institutions and public objects with the names of Philip II (national soccer stadium in Skopje) or Alexander the Great (the highway in the FYROM and the Skopje airport) or with erections of the monuments devoted to them (on the main city square in Skopje).

The Embargo and Further Negotiations

In 1993 several states recognized Macedonia under the official state-name as the FYROM but there were also and those states who recognized the country as the Republic of Macedonia. Macedonia was recognized by six EU members followed by the United States of America (the US) and Australia by early 1994. However, the Greek Government experienced Macedonia’s recognition of independence without the final fixing the question of Macedonia’s administrative name for the external usage as her own great diplomatic and national defeat, and as a response to such situation, Athens imposed a strict trade embargo to the FYROM on February 17th, 1994 for the sake to more firmly point out its unchanged position regarding several problematic issues in dealing with its northern neighbour. The embargo had a very large, and negative, impact on Macedonia’s economy as its export earnings became reduced by 85% and its food supplies dropped by 40%. On the other side, the economic blockade was very much criticised by the international community including and the EU and, therefore, not much later became lifted in 1995, but after successful negotiations between Greece and the FYROM, when these two countries finally recognized each other and established diplomatic relations. The FYROM, as a part of a settlement package with Greece, was also forced to change the official flag of the state on which the “Sun of Vergina” was replaced with the “Macedonian Sun”.[17]

However, the negotiations between the FYROM and Greece in regard to a permanent state-name of Macedonia are still being conducted by the UN, and this problem is not solved properly up today on the way that the both sides are going to be fully satisfied. The issue arose several times concerning the FYROM possibility to join both the NATO and the EU as Greece (member state of both organizations) threatened to use a veto right in order to stop Macedonia’s admission if previously the problem of Macedonia’s state-name is not solved in the Greek favour. Talks between the FYROM and Greece are permanent up to now with some new alternative state-name proposals by both sides as, for instance, the Constitutional Republic of Macedonia, the Democratic Republic of Macedonia, the Independent Republic of Macedonia, the New Republic of Macedonia and the Republic of Upper-Macedonia.

Nevertheless, the talks proved that no one of these proposals is acceptable for both parties. The FYROM proposed as a workable solution to use changed state-name only in relations to Greece, but at the same time to keep its constitutional state-name in all other international relations. However, even this proposal did not lead to a final and sincere solution as Greece insisted that a final deal must be applied internationally. The UN mediator’s compromising proposal to rename the state was as the Republic Macedonia-Skopje. Nevertheless, despite all possible efforts that were made to solve the problem, no agreement could be reached so far and, therefore, the NATO and the EU memberships of the FYROM are very problematic as one of the membership requirements is to reach agreements with Greece on all disputable political questions including and the official Macedonia’s state-name.[18]

Conclusion Remarks

It is quite remarkable that a dispute between the FYROM and Greece on Macedonia’s official state-name after 1991, which looks probably quite trivial on the first sight, can have so large political and other implications with unpredictable consequences in the future. One can wonder how Greece and the FYROM became firmly stuck to their positions for a quarter of century. However, the very fact is that this dispute is actually directly connected with their national identities and cultural inheritance.

References:

[1] James Pettifer (ed), The New Macedonian Question, New York: Palgrave, 2001, 15−27.

[2] The term Macedonia is of the Greek origin.

[3] This day is celebrated in the FYROM as the Independence Day.

[4] James Pettifer (ed), The New Macedonian Question, New York: Palgrave, 2001, xxv.

[5] Nicolaos K. Martis, The Falsification of Macedonian History, Athens: Graphic Arts, 1983.

[6] Bulgaria never recognized separate Macedonian nationality, language and alphabet. For Bulgarians, all Macedonia’s Slavs are of the Bulgarian origin. Greece is recognizing only the existence of the Macedonian Slavs but not on its own territory where all Slavs are considered as the Slavophone Greeks [Hugh Poulton, The Balkans: Minorities and States in Conflict, London: Minority Rights Publications, 1994, 175].

[7] Greece is a member of the EU from 1981.

[8] The Constitution’s day of adopting is November 17th, 1991 and day of entry into force November 20th, 1991.

[9] At that time, it was the European Community which became next year the European Union.

[10] Victor Roudometof, “Nationalism and Identity Politics in the Balkans: Greece and the Macedonian Question”, Journal of Modern Greek Studies, 14 (2), 1996, 253−301.

[11] Loring M. Danforth, “Claims to Macedonian Identity: The Macedonian Question and the Breakup of Yugoslavia”, Anthropology Today, 9 (4), 1993, 3−10.

[12] The territory of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (the FYROM) is also known as the Vardar Macedonia, contrary to the Macedonian territory in Bulgaria – the Pirin Macedonia, and in Greece – the Aegean Macedonia. A geographical-historical territory of Macedonia became divided between Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria as a consequence of the Balkan Wars of 1912−1913: “…Bulgaria who had only a little piece of Macedonia in her share: the Struma Valley between Gorna Dzumaja (Blagoevgrad) and Petric with the Strumica enclave. Greece received all Macedonia south of Lake Ohrid and the coast with Thessalonika and Kavala. Serbia was given Northern Macedonia and the center up to Ohrid, Monastir (Bitola) and the Vardar” [Georges Castellan, History of the Balkans from Mohammed the Conqueror to Stalin, New York: Columbia University Press, 1992, 381]. In essence, Greece received 60%, Serbia 30% and Bulgaria 10% of the geographic-historical territory of Macedonia. A Present-day FYROM is in fact the Vardar Macedonia that became annexed by the Kingdom of Serbia in 1913 known in Titoist Yugoslavia as the Socialist Republic of Macedonia with the capital in Skopje.

[13] The Greeks are not the Slavs.

[14] Loring M. Danforth, “Claims to Macedonian Identity: The Macedonian Question and the Breakup of Yugoslavia”, Anthropology Today, 9 (4), 1993, 3−10.

[15] Victor Roudometof, “Nationalism and Identity Politics in the Balkans: Greece and the Macedonian Question”, Journal of Modern Greek Studies, 14 (2), 1996, 253−301.

[16] Loring M. Danforth, “Claims to Macedonian Identity: The Macedonian Question and the Breakup of Yugoslavia”, Anthropology Today, 9 (4), 1993, 3−10.

[17] The Greeks in the Aegean Macedonia are using regularly a blue flag with the “Sun of Vergina” which is also in many cases put on the state flag of Greece as a historical amblem of the North Greece.

[18] The FYROM is currently a candidate state for the EU membership together with Turkey, Serbia and Montenegro.

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  1. Walter DuBlanica

    Thank you for a very interesting history. Was Alexander the Great Greek or Slav?

  2. Alexander the Great was a Macedon – speaking Greek, but not Slav

  3. http://www.macedoniantruth.org/2010/03/23/macedonian-language-16th-century/

    “Despite the absence of written works relating to statehood, material of a religious and educational nature continued to flourish, and Church Slavonic, an essentially Macedonian tongue that was developed for such purposes in the 9th century, remained the literary language of the Macedonian people. However, the vernacular tongue of the Macedonians had co-existed with Church Slavonic, and matured over the years, demonstrating a remarkable resilience and stability, which earned its introduction as the language of church services in Macedonia. The Macedonians were faced with foreign interference in both their lands and institutions, but their langugae had been largely solidified, evidenced in the fact that spoken Macedonian from the 16th Century has a far greater affinity to spoken Macedonian dialects of today than it does to Church Slavonic. For well over half a millenium, the Macedonian language has basically remained the same.”

    An extremely one-sided propaganda piece from who else but a Serb?

  4. The excerpt above is from “The Macedonian Lexicon 16th Century” by Linguists Ciro Gianelli and Andre Vaillant, and demonstrates the virtually unchanged nature of the Macedonian language over the last 5 centuries. The examples therein come from Macedonia in the 16th C. from the village of Bogatsko, in the region of Kostur in south-west Macedonia, today occupied by the Greek state. So, it was Macedonia before it was “Greece” and its majority inhabitants spoke Macedonian, a “Slavic” tongue? How does the author explain this?

    Sotirović, its rather disingenuous to speak of “the Sun of Vergina” discovered on the territory of “Greece” and not the “FYROM” ( very clever and utterly disgusting/misleading ploy on your behalf when of course there was no “FYROM” until recently, an imposed “name” by the fascists from the USA/NATO and EU ), however, there was a Macedonia and Macedonians as Gianelli and Vaillant’s paper attests, and the so-called “Sun of Vergina”, “discovered” by Greeks can be found in churches throughout Macedonia including throughout occupied Aegean (Egejska ) Macedonia, which were then fated to be whitewashed of all Kirillic script and “Greekisized” as all else in Aegean Macedonia. Nor do I recall noticing that you have at all referred to the Balkan Wars when the ethnic and geographic region of Macedonia was divided during the Balkan Wars, by its so-called Orthodox neighbors, the beneficiaries being – along with Greece, Bulgaria, Albania and Servia/Serbia – ( whose servants are the Serbs? ). There was until recently, no “Vergina” btw. the town in question was Kutleš, to be renamed by a “Greek sounding name”, along with all Macedonian toponyms, placenames etc. in order to eradicate the Macedonian presence from the newly aquired territory. The same thing has occurred in Albania I might add.

    In April of 2017 in Moscow, Russian President Putin said to Macedonian President Ivanov, that he will always be grateful to Macedonia as the Russian “azbuka” – alphabet – came from Macedonia! Further, in the last week, Russian ambassador to Macedonia, Šterbak, further confirmed that Russia will NEVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES retract recognition of the constitutional name of Macedonia, the Republic of Macedonia – that most terrifying of all phenomena if you are Western Europe and the USA – and quisling countries like the Four Wolves; Greece, Albania, Serbia and Bulgaria! So, Russia may know of its historic connections to and the true identity of the Macedonian people, but apparently, Serbs do not. Or rather, they have much to gain in the event that the dissolution of Macedonia eventuates?

    Finally, linguists like Mario Allinei and others are placing the origin of the Slavic languages in the southern Balkans, which before it became “the Balkan Peninsula” was the Macedonian Peninsula. This concurs with the empirical evidence found in the region and contained in documents such as “The Macedonian Lexicon, 16th Century”. Macedonians also claim and always have, that Kiril and Metodi were Macedonian monks. In the creation of Old Church Slavonic, they were simply building on their native Macedonian language, which further speaks of its ancient roots in the region. I should add, that Bulgaria, also lays claim to Kiril and Metodi, yet how can a people who by their own admission arrived in Macedonia in the 7th Century, and whose name has its origin in a Turkish word meaning “mixed” and whose forebears are Tataro-Mongols have created the Kirillic alphabet? Go figure. The Greek claim that the same were “Greek” monks, however, lets not go there. The so-called “Greek” language, along with the Albanian are peripheral languages on the Balkans, spoken only by Greeks and Albanians, which, along with the geographic location of these Western created countries, bely their false claims to authentic Balkan origins.

  5. Thank you Dimitar for the comments. More science and less propaganda for your future work.

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  7. Thank you Vladimir, whether my comment or yours is propaganda is really up to the reader. What we have here is an indefensible, and frankly beliefs cannot be debated. The nature of the so-called name dispute is clearly political, and a continuation of the genocide of the Macedonian people and the usurpation of their historic lands, identity and heritage. Its sad that self-styled scientists like yourself have put themselves into the service of such a monstrous undertaking, for as we all know, in politics, might makes right.

    You are the one who has to prove a negative and have yet to do so. Once again, how do you explain the presence of the Macedonian language in Aegean Macedonia for centuries before there even was a “Greece”? Gianelli and Vaillant, unlike myself are clearly scientists, and lo and behold, not even Macedonians. You could learn something about objectivity from them, for starters.

  8. Mr Sotirovic’s CV proves his very close ties with the Soros Foundation for education and employment…could this be influencing his analysis against Macedonia?

    https://www.scribd.com/document/351605197/Sotirovic-EUROPASS-CV-Short

    https://www.scribd.com/document/351605183/Comprehensive-Academic-C-v-resume-Sotirovic-2017

  9. Btw, I’d be interested to know your views on the American dismemberment of Serbia. Do you support Kosovo going to the Albanians? If you don’t and I’m betting you don’t, then there’s a glaring contradiction in your views, as the destruction of Serbia along with Macedonia, are both products of Western policy in the Balkans. I’m sure you understand my point – where Serbia is concerned, you are against American policy, in Macedonia’s case, you support it. Of course, if you continue to validate Greece’s arguments, then you have missed the point entirely, ie; that Greece’s so-called claims to Macedonia are the real reson for the name dispute, then you truly are, at best, misled, totally naive or simply a paid “Greek” propagandist. Best, Dimitar.

  10. “Mr Sotirovic’s CV proves his very close ties with the Soros Foundation for education and employment…could this be influencing his analysis against Macedonia?”

    What is in the article “against Macedonia”? BTW, from my father side I am from Macedonia (today FYROM).

  11. Dear Dimirti, to be clear: present-day the so-called “Macedonians” has nothing to do with Antique Macedon culture, state, territory and civilization. What Skopje government is doing in this matter after 1991 is pure FYROM criminal activity. If ancient Macedonians were the Greeks is not relevant at all!

  12. Vladimir, thank you for your reply. I have deliberately not addressed the ancient Macedonians, that is a subject far too broad and controversial for a forum such as this. However, my question re: Gianelli and Vaillant’s paper, “The Macedonian Lexicon, 16th Century” stands: How do you explain the presence of the Macedonian language on the territory of Macedonia, 500 years ago in virtually unchanged form? This is empirical evidence that destroys all so-called Greek arguments and I have yet to receive a reply from any of Macedonia’s negators. Pozdrav.

  13. Konstantin raises a point that is extremely important, and I don’t believe you have taken his question seriously. Those of us who hail from the Balkans know that once one is on Soros’ payroll, one has in effect sold his soul to the Devil. I’m sorry to say so, but your reply is rather a non-reply, and seriously handicaps any credibility you may have had. In Spirit, Dimitar

  14. Dear Dimitar,

    Soros is a Nazi garbage from the WWII. Just go to my website http://www.global-politics.eu and put search word Soros. Nothing more you need. On March 25, 1999 I participated at Soros speech at CEU in Budapest: After this speech you can not have any mercy to any Jews!

    In all of those works “Macedonian” language means the language spoken by the people from the territory of Macedonia. It is the same with “Bosnian” or “Dubrovnik” language.

    About Kosovo case, please approach your fuching pro-Albanian government in Skopje with the question: Why Skopje recognized Kosovo independence? (the next are you!).

  15. Dear Vladislav,

    That’s not true, you are closely connected to Soros, your own extended CV that I cited proves it:

    https://www.scribd.com/document/351605183/Comprehensive-Academic-C-v-resume-Sotirovic-2017

    I don’t know why you are ridiculing Dimitar, it makes me suspicious of why you’re deflecting the point.

    You should have just admitted your ties, now you are raising many questions about yourself.

    To remind of you of your very long and intimate history with Soros, the Open Society and Soros Foundation, USAID and Soros’ Central European University:

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    * Central European Summer University, Central European University, Budapest,Hungary Certificate of Attendance for having taken part in and completed the summer course “Theory and Research in Comparative Sociology”, Budapest, Hungary, July 1 – 26, 2002

    * Central European University, Budapest, Hungary,M.A. in Southeast European Studies, June 1997. Thesis: “Relationships Between The Yugoslav Committee in London, The National Council in Zagreb and The Royal Serbian Government During The Process of Creation of Yugoslavia”, GPA: 3.45 (max. 4,00), supervisors-Prof. Ivo Banac (Yale University) and Prof. Drago Roksandić (Zagreb University)

    * Central European University, Budapest, Hungary, M.A. in Central European History, June 1996. Thesis: “The Creation of Yugoslavia 1914-1918”. GPA: 3.50 (max. 4,00), supervisors-Prof. Ivo Banac (Yale University) and Prof. Alfred J. Rieber (Central European University)

    * Researcher on individual research project “Serbia, Montenegro and Albanian Independence, 1912 -1913”, 2000– 2002 sponsored by Research Support Scheme, Prague – Soros Foundation, New York

    *Research Room Coordinator, Open Society Archives at Central European University, Budapest, Hungary, September 1999 – August 2000

    * Open Society Archives at Central European University, Budapest, Hungary grant fora monthly archival research upon the dissolution of Yugoslavia, 1990– 1995, January5 – February 5, 2005.

    * Central European University, Budapest, Hungary grant for participation in international conference “Recent Pasts: Looking Back, 2003–1933” at New Europe College, Romanian Institute for Recent History and Institute for Political Research,University of Bucharest in Bucharest, Romania, May 21 – 23, 2004.

    * Special Projects Office, Special and Extension Programs– Central European University, Budapest, Hungary, awarded Junior Visiting Research Fellowship at the History Dept. of Central European University, Budapest, Hungary, July 3 – August 3,2003

    * The USAID grant for participation in “Workshop for new Doctoral Research on the History of Southeast Europe” in Sofia, Bulgaria, organized by the Center for Democracy and Reconciliation in Southeast Europe, Thessaloniki, Greece and the Centre for Advanced Study, Sofia, Bulgaria, June 26– 28, 2003

    * Central European Summer University, Central European University, Budapest, Hungary. Scholarship, accommodation and travel expenses for the summer course “Theory and Research in Comparative Sociology”, Budapest, Hungary, July 1– 26,2002

    * Research Support Scheme, Soros Foundation, Prague, grant for individual research project “Serbia, Montenegro and Albanian Independence, 1912–1913”, July 2000– July 2002

    * Soros Foundation Postgraduate Scholarships, Central European University, Budapest College, Hungary, 1995– 1996 and 1996 – 1997

    * Paper presenter at the 2nd Annual Conference of the Open Society Institute-Central European University Comparative History Project: “New Approaches to Comparative History in Central, Eastern and Southeastern Europe”, April 17-19th, 2008, Sofia, Bulgaria. The paper presentation: “The Idea of Pan-Slavic Ethnolinguistic Kinship and Reciprocity in Dalmatian and Croatian Literature and Historiography, 1477−1706”

    * Monthly archival research at the Open Society Archives at Central European University, Budapest, Hungary upon the dissolution of Yugoslavia, 1990 – 1995,January 5 – February 5, 2005

    * Paper presenter at international conference “Recent Pasts: Looking Back, 2003– 1933” at Institute for Political Research, University of Bucharest in Bucharest, Romania, May 21–23, 2004. The paper presentation: “Emigration, Refugees and Ethnic Cleansing During Yugoslavia’s Disintegration: Ethnic Nationalism and Creation of the National States”. The conference is organized by Pasts, Inc. Centar for Historical Studies, Central European University, Budapest, Hungary

    * Research at the Library of Central European University and Open Society Archives at Central European University, Budapest, Hungary, on creation of Albanian independent state at the beginning of the 20th c. sponsored by Special and Extension Programs-Central European University, July 3 – August 3, 2003

    * Paper presenter in the “Workshop for new Doctoral Research on the History of Southeast Europe”, Sofia, Bulgaria, June 26 – 28, 2003. The workshop is organized by the Center for Democracy and Reconciliation in Southeast Europe, Thessaloniki,Greece and the Centre for Advanced Study, Sofia, Bulgaria. The paper presentation: ”The Lingustic Model of the Definition of the Serbian Nation by Vuk Stefanović Karadžić and the Project of the Creation of a Linguistically-Determined Serbian National State by Ilija Garašanin”

    ^^^ The Greece-based Center for Democracy and Reconciliation in Southeast Europe is founded by Open Society Foundations, Foundation Open Society Macedonia, Central European University and Open Society Institute Sofia

    http://cdrsee.org/donors#foundations

    * Participant in professional training programme ogranized by Curriculum Resource Center , Central European University, Budapest College, Budapest, Hungary, March26 – 30, 2001

    * Participant of UASEC (University Association for Contemporary European Studies,King’s College London, Strand, London WC2R 2LS) 30th Anniversary Conference and Fifth Research Conference, co-organised with the Central European University, April 6 – 8, 2000, Budapest, Hungary

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    You lost your credibility sir because you didn’t admit these relationships and instead tried to mock Dimitar and pretend that you have no ties with Soros and his groups. You were trained and hosted by Soros’ money and his minions, you can’t be trusted to speak on Macedonia. I’m sorry but you are discredited Vladislav.

  16. “An extremely one-sided propaganda piece from who else but a Serb?”

    Of course, Dmitar. Your biggest problem are Serbs. The only people who recognize your country name, your identity, your language.

  17. This guy with Soros CEU CV has nothing with us Serbs.

  18. Dear Nada, only you from Bosnia and Montenegro are the Serbs! We from central Shumadija know it very well. BTW, the FYROM is nothing else but only Vardar Serbia.

  19. “About Kosovo, please approach your fuching pro-Albanian government in Skopje with the question why Skopje recognised Kosovo? The next are you.”

    Because the USA overlords forced them too, in the same way that Vujčić’s “government” will recognise Kosovo.

    Wow, didn’t take you long to spit the dummy, Soros flunky. It would be comic, if it wasn’t so tragic. Frankly, I expected at least the pretense of a facade. Goodbye, fool. You stand unmasked and ridiculed!

  20. “Of course, Dimitar, your biggest problem are the Serbs, the only people who recognise your country, your name and language.”

    Nada, I will not condescend to you and thereby belittle your intelligence. When I refer to “Serbs” I refer to Serbian nationalists/fascists of the very worst kind. They may also be Greeks, Bulgarians,Albanians or Macedonians ( the goverment in Skopje atm. for example, who btw. are a CIA imposed “government” through an illegal coup and do not represent the Macedonian people, a fact that Sotirović ignores ). Fascism knows no borders. Its a state of consciousness. The kind that rode into my grandfather’s village – he was a boy of 10 years of age living in Bitolsko, in 1913 – and told the villagers that the choice they had was to be a dead Macedonian, or a live Serb. This kind of fascism is a disease that afflicts individuals and peoples/countries who have sold their soul for personal gain. The facade they hide behind is often an “ideal”, like Greater Serbia, Greater Greece, Greater Albania and greater Bulgaria. Btw. Front page headlines in Greece yesterday feature maps of the desired divison of the R. of Macedonia. Today!! in 2018. With rallys in Solon, ( Thessaloniki ) protesting against Macedonia, with the idiot Greeks wearing uniforms that the Greek Andarte wore a hundred years ago when they had a free hand in reigning death and destruction on the Macedonian population throughout newly acquired Aegean Macedonia.

    http://kurir.mk/makedonija/vesti/skandal-grchki-vesnik-so-karta-za-podelba-na-makedonija-na-naslovna-strana-foto/ and, http:/kurir.mk/makedonija/vesti/grci-vo-uniformi-na-andartite-koi-gi-palea-makedonskite-sela-vo egejska-makedonija-protestiraa-vo-solun-protiv-makedonija-foto/

    Gospodinot V.Sotirović is a perfect example of one of these wolves in sheep’s clothing. There cannot even be a civil discussion with him it seems. He is also living proof that your statement is incorrect. Sotirović, after his feeble attempt to defend himself against Konstantin’s unmasking of his true nature by declaring that “…for God’s sake his father even comes from FYROM”, poor soul, he cannot even bring himself to say the word Macedonia in fear of upsetting his paymaster! I understand, in Macedonia we know the Soros minions very well – they too, are not allowed to utter even a word that favours the enemy, etc. Btw. at the end of his last post – his facade now completely gone, he reveals his true colours by referring to Macedonia as Vardar ( Banovina ), so he stands as proof that not all Serbs recognise our identity, language, etc.

    Finally, you have the right to be angry at Macedonia for Kosovo recognition, but that was a decision imposed on the Macedonian government by their sponsors, the USA/NATO/EU. From a spiritual viewpoint, no one has a right to righteous anger, however, it behooves us as human beings to let go of anger, a mental passion, as soon as we possibly can. Misplaced anger only shows that the victim is the effect of someone or something. Nothing wrong with that, if you know that you are being the effect of something/someone. Pozdrav.

  21. “Soros is a nazi garbage from the WW 2…” but he pays extremely well.

  22. Arhikles Salvador

    Very strange: the most anti-Greek FYROM “Macedonians” here (Dimitar & Konstantin) have typical Greek names! This is a result of titoist propaganda in FYROM from 1945 onward

  23. Arhikles Salvador

    “Soros is a nazi garbage from the WW 2…” but he pays extremely well.

    And? Why you have to be on Soros side if he pays you well? You see what FYROM Macedonians are doing: propagating against Greeks but Greece is the main capital investor to FYROM! And no problem. Even they are going to Greece for summer holidays and at such a way finansing Greek economy but coming back to Skopje continuing to propagate against Greece.

  24. Dimitar is obviously an Albanian from Tetovo who supports terrorist KLA and ANA.

  25. “Arhikles”, if all you can muster is a half-assed ad hominem attack, then my assessment of “Greek/Serbian” Orthodox Brotherhood is entirely correct. One dimensional cookie cutter types, complete flakes!

  26. And you, Vlad the Impaler, are a complete and utter disgrace to the Serbian people! Not only are you a class-A moron, you’re not even worth your salt. You appear to be utterly clueless as to the responsibility you bear, indeed, only Soros could dig up such garbage as you, and I have no qualms in telling you to your smug face. There is one upshot however, let all who visit here see what a fools masquerade really is. Look at the articles of Andrej Korybko, to learn something about professionalism, integrity and how to create, sustain and defend an argument. HACK!

  27. Dimitar is frustrated member of terrorist KLA who did not kill enough Kosovo Serbs.

  28. Dimitar, it is a great question why you are not still banned from commenting by admin. This is a place to discuss not to spread your Balkan primitivism and barbarian vocabulary.

  29. “Dimitar is frustrated member of terrorist KLA who did not kill enough Kosovo Serbs.”

    I do not think so. He is most probably some teenager working as trabant commentator with the purpose just to troll the subjects of interest and importance. One can just wonder, who is paying to him for trolling the net.

  30. This website http://www.macedoniantruth.org/2010/03/23/macedonian-language-16th-century/ is typical political propaganda by Titoist “Macedonians” spreading fake news based on fake historical sources.

  31. How Titoist Macedonian schauvinistic propaganda works one can see here:

    “Only those Macedonians who feel direct descendants of Philip and Alexander in unbroken continuity will remain eternally immune to the assimilation propagandas of the neighbouring states and will never betray the Macedonian race”

    [A programmatic statement of Makedonsko Sonce, the weekly organ of the World Macedonian Congress]

  32. Arhikles Salvador, first learn to write a coherant sentence in English, before you proceed to the concept of an “idea”.

    Mr. Sotir, you say you a true Serb, but you have the same primitive soul as Škiptare.

  33. “Dimitar is frustrated member of KLA who did not kill enough Kosovo Serbs.”

    Sotirče, so this is the extent of your intellectual capacity?

    Ad hominem ( Latin for “to the man” or “to the person” ) short for argumentum ad hominem, is a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive or other attribute of the person making the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.

  34. Btw, Vlad, who actually killed Kosovo Serbs?

    I know its difficult for you to actually think, analyse and come to your own conclusions – as a “writer” you simply present pastiche of other people’s writings – but were you to make the effort you might discover that it was your paymasters, the good old USA! Albanians, as always, were only proxies.

    As long as this correspondence continues, its to your detriment. You stand exposed as a complete mediocrity, with barely a grasp of the English language. On top of that, you are a bigot, a racist and a cheap shill peddling other people’s ideas. The one thing that can be said for you, is that you are Serbian nationalist/fascist, much like the cookie-cutter “greeks” who are swarming to your “defense”. Of course, as always, these are the definition of the word “idiotism”. One wonders when they were let out of their incubators?

  35. “Arhikles Salvador”, why dont you write to Oriental Review and lobby for my being banned? This is how “greeks” like you normally operate. Ban those who do not agree with you.

    However, its hard to know what you are advocating since your presence here apart from being entirely inane, has not revealed a contribution of any kind. Your “comments” reveal only a self-satisfied fool saying nothing and revelling in the noise you’re making. Way to go, “Arhikles” big on name, small on stature/substance. And if you think I’m offended or am in any way effected by your nonsense, then you are certainly big-noting yourself.

  36. Dimitar, you are the last to have any right to speak about Serbs from Kosovo. Firstly do something with your pro-Albanian gov. in Skopje which recognized independence of mafia-state of Tachikistan!

  37. To Vane: You are probably of civilized EuroUstashi blood?

  38. This is what happens when the only Serbs whom Soros can hire are those on psychotropic medication. They stop taking therapy, open obvious fake accounts to talk nonsense.

  39. “Only those Macedonians who feel direct descendents of Philip and Aleksandar will remain eternally immune to the assimilation practices of the neighboring states and will never betray Macedonia”.

    Istoto te istoto.

    Fascism – a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterised by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition…”

    Fool, pull your head in. You are an embarrassment to yourself.

  40. “Kosovo, Kosovo”. Its an old human trick to blame someone else for one’s problems. A little disingenous don’t you think to blame Macedonia for so-called recognition of Kosovo? That was imposed decision by USA on both Crna Gora and Makedonija.

    I truly wonder why you people play such mental games with yourselves? I will direct you to the original cause of all of your problems… Serbian government, or rather, who pulls the strings of said government?

  41. Nada; “This is what happens when the only Serbs whom Soros can hire are those on psychotropic medication, open obviously fake accounts to talk nonsense.”

    Who are you referring to in your accusation?

    If my assumption is correct and you are referring to me, then where is your proof that I am Soros tool, have fake account etc.?

    If you refer to Sotirovič, Konstantin has unmasked him, proof is there for the whole world to see. Whether you choose to see it is another matter.

  42. “This is what happens when the only Serbs whom Soros can hire are those on psychotropic medication. They stop taking therapy, open obvious fake accounts to talk nonsense”.

    Nada is example what happens when only Haradinaj’s Serbs whom Tachi’s UCK can hire …

  43. “That was imposed decision by USA on both Crna Gora and Makedonija”

    And you from FYROM and Smradogorija became USA prostitute free of charge

  44. “If you refer to Sotirovič, Konstantin has unmasked him…”

    Wow!!!! We need some “Konstantin” or “Dimitri” to get basic info about the author who has regular personal website with all necessary data of his bio. “Konstantin” discovered America!

    BTW, who is going to unmask “Konstantin” & “Dimitri” who are posting without any public data to become familiar with them.

  45. “Fascism – a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterised by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition…” – FYROM? I agree.

  46. “The excerpt above is from “The Macedonian Lexicon 16th Century” by Linguists Ciro Gianelli and Andre Vaillant, and demonstrates the virtually unchanged nature of the Macedonian language over the last 5 centuries”

    Pure FYROM propaganda based on fake claims. In the lexicon “Macedonian” language does not refer to any kind of “Macedonians” as ethnolinguistic group or nation but only to the people of the region of Macedonia who spoke the language of the region, i.e., people “from Macedonia”.

  47. S O R O S

  48. ” In the Lexicon Macedonian language does not refer to any kind of Macedonians…”

    “Despite the absence of written works relating to statehood, material of a religious and educational nature continued to flourish, and Church Slavonic, an essentially Macedonian tongue that was developed for such purposes in the 9th C. remained the literary language of the Macedonian people. However, the vernacular tongue of the Macedonians had co-existed with Church Slavonic and matured over the years demonstrating a remarkable resilience and stability which earned its introduction of the language of church services in Macedonia. The Macedonians were faced with foreign interferencein both their lands and institutions, but their language had been largely soildified, evidenced in the
    fact that spoken Macedonian from the 16th Century has a far greater affinity to spoken Macedonian dialects of today than it does to Old Church Slavonic. For well over half a millenium, the Macedonian language has basically remained the same.”

    Three ( 3 ) references to Macedonians in the above paragraph alone!

  49. FYROM fekalija

  50. “Three ( 3 ) references to Macedonians in the above paragraph alone!”

    References not to Macedonians as nation but as people of the territory of Macedonia.

    Here, you can find almost 1000 documents in which the people of Macedonia are called as ethnic Bulgarians!!!!

    Macedonia: Anthology of Documents and Materials, Bulgarian Academy of Sciences, Historical Institute and Institute of Bulgarian Language, Sofia, 1980

  51. For Dimitar:

    Nicolas K. Martis, The Falsification of Macedonian History, Athens: Graphic Arts, 1984

    Michael B. Sakellariou (ed.), Macedonia. 4,000 Years of Greek History and Civilization, Athens: Aristide d Caratzas Publ., 1988

  52. SOROSPIJA

  53. Sanimideg;

    “Indefensible”; not justifiable by argument.

  54. Justifiable by historical and ethnographic arguments means that FYROM “Macedonians” are Titoist Zombi-nation.

  55. Kake ne ti e sram da se odnesuvaš ko nekoj uličar bre kopile??

  56. Tisina bre bagro siptarska iz smrdljivog Tetova! Sikter u Šiptariju preko Ohrida

  57. Dimitar jeste Šipac ali nije iz Tetova nego iz Gostivara. 2001. g. je kao član ANE učestvovao u zavereničkoj pobuni šiptarskih terorista protiv legalne vlasti u Skoplju. Sada radi za Ramu i Tirani kao šiptarski trol na internetu. Honorar mu je 3 evra po jednom pljuvanju, tj. postu.

  58. Alexander was Greek,not greek speaking macedonian.

    For instance someone from Belgrade is Serbian that lives in Belgrade, not a serbian speaking Belgradian.

    Get your facts right.

    Slavs came in 1400years later, they have nothing to do with Alexander and greeks in general.

    There is video of Kiro Gligorov that admits that

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsMvSX3EufM

    So the name macedonia and all those statues of Alexander etc are nothing more that fake nation building nonsense.

  59. To Tolis

    1. There is no single historical source to claim that ancient Macedonians were of the Greek ethnic origin.
    2. That Alexander the Great was the Greek is pure modern Greek propaganda construction.
    3. In Belgrade most living population are from Bosnia, Herzegovina, Krajina and Montenegro. And all of them claim to be the Serbs. You can accept it or not. But all of them are speaking a form of Serbian language including and local dialect of Central Serbia (Ekavian) and therefore they are “Serbian speakers of Bosnia, Montenegro, Belgrade, etc.” The autochtonous people of Serbia and Belgrade is not treating them as real Serbs.
    4. According to many meadleval documents, all ancient Illyrians, Tracians and Macedonians were the Slavs as Slavs together with Greeks were autochtonous Balkan people.
    5. Famous Baroque poet from Dubrovnik, Ivo Dživo Gundulić was calling Alexander the Great as the Serb (“Srbljanin”).
    6. Modern FYROM “Macedonian” is ethnonym derived from toponym Macedonia = people living on the territory of the province/region of Macedonia and therefore has nothing common with the ethnic name (the same is with “Bosnians”).
    7. Modern Greeks has almost nothing common from ethnogenetic and racial points of view with ancient Greeks who have been tall with blond hair and blue eyes. Today you can not find a single “Greek” as such.

  60. To Sotirovic

    You are a LIAR who lies big time.
    Here we go

    1.Stravo sais ‘έστιν ουν Ελλάς και η μακεδονίαν’
    This means macedonia is part of Greece.
    If you don’t Know who Stravo is, then you really shouldn’t be discussing these things.

    Also Greek history states macedonians belonging to Doric tribe.
    Dorians,Aeolians,Achaeans,ionias are the 4 ancient Greek tribes.

    2.Alaxander was Greek from both sides:father Philip and mother Olympias.
    Olympias was a princess from Epirus.
    Got that,liar?

    3.You either can’t read or you change the subject. I never said that those living from belgrade aren’t Serbs.
    Of course they are!
    I just said that there is no “belgradian” nation

    4.What does this have to do with the fact that slavic inhabitants of the blacans have nothing to do with Greeks and Alexander the Great?

    5.So what?I can call my self an escimoan basketball player who plays for Mongolia.
    That doesn’t mean I am!
    What on earth are you trying to prove?

    6.You are constantrly lying.
    DNA studies from the bones of the warriors buried in the tomb of marathon have shown identical DNA.
    The other lie you say is that ancient Greeks were tall with blonde hair and blue eyes.
    No they weren’t .

    They had various skin and hair colour but similare features.
    After all,they were the 4 tribes which from the beginning had some differences.

    Especially the height,Greeks were never tall on average.
    On the contrary Slavs are.

    In the summer, you are welcome to visit Greece,go to any airport and observe the passengers to/from Belgrade,Zagreb,whatever slavic country you like.
    Then compare them with Greek statues,ancient paintings etc.
    If you still find the features you say (height,hair etc) in face and body frame, them frankly you are either trolling,have bad eyesight* or just spreading lies.

    *contact lenses are cheap you know,even for those “poor” Greeks.

    PS:You really be shamed. It’s not good indication when you throw out lies and disinformation to a very specific and important issue…

  61. To Tolis

    You are just a troll of falsification of academic truth on ancient Balkan history. Just find some idiots who will believe in your trolls.

  62. To Sotirovic

    Before tellng me what to do, try to prove that my arguments are false.
    it’s easy,I’ve numbered them for you.

    You can count, can’t you?

  63. “DNA studies from the bones of the warriors buried in the tomb of marathon have shown identical DNA”.

    Of course: We have the bones of Alexander the Great to do his DNA. You can see them in Athens in National Museum of Archeology.

    BTW, all Greeks of the time were calling Macedonians as “barbarians” – non Greeks like Isocrates or Demostenes

  64. I never said the bonmes of Alexander,so stop trying to evade.

    I said the bones of those whoe died in the Battle of marathon.

    There have been many many tests so stop ridiculing yourself(unless of course you enjoy it).

    “”all Greeks of the time were calling Macedonians as “barbarians”””

    LIAR once again!

    ALL?
    ALL?

    Of course not!

    Greeks had city states all over the place.
    Akarnans,Aetolians,Spartans,Corinthians,Epirotes…the list is too big.

    Many of them actually were the same tribe (Dorians) as macedonians,many allied with them.

    City states many times fought against each other but when it came to common enemy(persians), those that had the military and geographical potential to resist did that because they were all(guess..) greeks!

    Alexander being Greek wanted to revenge and so he kicked persian asses up to India.

    Barbarian comes from the noise “bar-bar”.
    Greeks called everyone who didn’t speak Greek as barbarian because their language was just not understood.

    Go back to school or please stop exposing yourself,honestly.

  65. As Alexander and his Macedonians were BAR-BAR the Greeks were fighting them in Cheronea in 338 B.C. not to allow BAR-BARs to occupy the Greek land like they fought the same BAR-BARs in 480-479 (Platea, Salamina).

    You obviously attended some provincial 4-years primary school. Now you have to attend and graduate from some normal university.

  66. You lie again.

    Greek city states were always fighting each other.
    So what?

    The same way Akarnans fought againsts their neighbours Aetolians, the same way Athenians fought Spartans,the same way thebans fought the Spartans.

    All these civil clashes were very frequent and changing alliances were something very common.

    Thus,you LIAR, in the battle of Cheronea, some greek city states fought againsts other city states.
    Big deal,nothing new.
    They were all GREEKS.

    After the rule of Alexander there were very few civil clashes in Greece until the roman conquest.

    PS:macedonians were never considered BAR-BARS because
    a)they spoke greek
    b)they were greeks

    PS2:why do you evade the Tomb of the Battle of marathon argunment?
    Run out of lies, haven’t you?

    PS3: For your info I am a graduate of Polytechnical school of Greece,Electrical Engineer.
    History and the discovery of truth is my other activity, from which I get ZERO income.

    Being an engineer I search and find facts.

    So it is impossible to be fooled by LIARS like you who evade hard core facts and try to evade specific questions.
    Not today,not tomorrow,not in this life,not in a million years.

    Understood or you want an instant replay?

  67. Tolis is the IDIOT!

    Greeks were fighting between themselves all the time with two exceptions: in 480-479 and in 338 BC when they united their forces as the Greeks to defend Greece from BARBARIANS.

    Macedonians as the people DID NOT speak Greek. Greek was spoken only by Macedonian aristocracy as lingua franca of the time.

  68. Sanimideg the RETARDED LIAR!

    Of course Greeks fought betwenn themselves.
    You know how are these wars called?
    Civil wars you IMBECILE!
    You said it yourself GREEKS!
    SO WHAT?
    What does this civil fighting have to do with the fact that the macedonians were a greek tribe?

    Macedonians spoke Greek because macedonian dialect was greek dialect.
    Just like we have Cypriot dialect,Cretan dialect,Epirote dialect.

    Languages have local VARIATIONS called DIALECTS.
    A dialect is NOT a separate language you illiterate!

    Open a dictionary before you open your lie filled mouth!

    T

  69. Why don’t you elaborate somewhat on your long and illustrious association with Soros, Sotire?

    SOROS = SORITOVIĆ = SOROSPIJA ( PROSTITUTE FOR MONEY; PRESSTITUTE)

  70. Tolis is retarded twister of historical evidences and nothing more

  71. Dimitar is frustrated social garbage from some village around Štip

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