The Illyrians: Autochthonous Balkan People having Nothing Common with Modern Albanians

It is true that every story about the Balkan Peninsula begins with the ancient Illyrians.[1] Historians believe that these Indo-European people were one of the largest European populations to inhabit the western portion of the Balkans from the coasts of the Ionian Sea and the Adriatic Sea to the Alps about 1000 B.C. Their eastern neighbours were also Indo-European peoples – the Thracians. The demarcation line between their settlements and their cultural and political influence was the Morava river in present-day Serbia (in Latin Margus, located in the Roman province of Moesia Superior) and the Vardar river in present-day FYR of Macedonia. On the north, on the shores of the Sava and the Danube rivers, their neighbours were the Celts, while on the south the Mt Pindus separated the Illyrians from the ancient Macedonians (who had nothing to do with today “Macedonians”) and the Greeks.[2] The Illyrians lived on the eastern littoral of the Adriatic Sea around 500 B.C. according to the Greek geographer Hecatei (Hecateus) from the city of Miletus in Asia Minor. According to the early Byzantine historian Pseudo-Scilac, who lived 150 years later, the Illyrian settlements in the Balkans in the south extended to the southern Albanian port of Valona (Vlorë).[3] Among the ancient and early medieval historians and geographers, the most reliable information on the geographic dispersion of the Illyrians and the demography of the Illyrian territory appears in the writings of Herodotus, Livy, Pliny, Ptolemy, Appianus, Strabo, Procopius of Caesarea, Synecdemos of Hierocles, Isidorus Hispaniensis, and Euagrius.

When the Celts came to the Balkans in the 3rd century B.C. some of the Illyrian tribes mixed with them. In the same century, the Illyrian King Agron from the Ardaei tribe organised the first Illyrian state. At the time of greatest expansion, its borders extended to the Neretva river in Dalmatia, to Bosnia and Herzegovina, the Vjosë river in the Southern Albania and Lake Ohrid in Macedonia. Some of the 20th-century Albanian historians and national workers claimed with a pure ethnopolitical purpose that a proclamation of an independent state of Albania on November 28th, 1912 was based on the Albanian political-state inheritance which dated back to King Agron’s the Illyrian Kingdom. Nevertheless, the Romans succeeded in defeating the Illyrians and abolishing their state organisation during the three Illyrian-Roman Wars between 229 and 168 B.C.

Second Illyrian War Map
Second Illyrian War Map, 218 BC

The administratively-political concept of “Illyria”, or “Illyricum”, was used in subsequent centuries by the Romans who after the new conquests in the Balkans established first the Province of Illyricum, and in the 4th century the Praefectura of Illyricum.[4] It stretched from the Istrian Peninsula in the north-west to Northern Albania on the south-east, and from the Adriatic littoral in the south to the Drava river in the north. However, the main portion of present-day Albania was not included in this “Illyrian” province and became part of the Roman Province of Macedonia. This was the result of the Roman conclusion that only the territory of Northern Albania had been settled by the Illyrian tribes, but not the Central and Southern Albania. The proponents of the Illyrian theory of the origins of the Albanians did not provide an answer to the question of why all of Albania was not absorbed into the Roman Province of Illyricum if it was entirely settled by the ancient Illyrians (who are wrongly but purposely claimed by the Albanians to be the Albanian progenitors)? The Romans finally brought under control all of the Illyrian tribes during a new war of 6−9 A.D.[5]

From that time the overwhelming and very successful process of Romanization of the whole Balkan Peninsula began.[6] Some protagonists of the Illyrian theory of the Albanian ethnic origin developed the hypothesis that the Roman Emperors Aurelian, Diocletian and Probus, who originated in the western part of the Balkans, which was settled by the Illyrian tribes, were the predecessors of the modern Albanian nation.[7] During the reign of Diocletian (284–305), who was of the Illyrian origin, the whole Balkan Peninsula, except its eastern part, was administratively organised as the Praefectura Illyricum. Mainly due to such Roman administrative organisation of the Balkans the names Illyria and the Illyrians were preserved for a very long period of time as common names for the peoples who lived in the western and central parts of the Balkans, i.e. for the South Slavs[8] and the Albanians.[9] However, according to the 19th−21st-century official sciences of history, ethnology and philology (but not according to many relevant sources), the Illyrians and Slavs were not synonymous as the later came to the Balkans 1.500 years after the Illyrians.[10]

Europe in IX century
Europe in IX century

Clearly, the name Illyrians disappeared in the 7th century at the time of the Slavic migrations to the Balkans. After the 6th century, however, Byzantine texts do not record any accounts of Illyrians abandoning Balkan territories from the Dalmatian Alps to the Danube. The new Illyrian political and cultural centre became the region of Arbanum (in Greek, Αρβανον or Αλβανον, in Serbian, Рабан) in South Albania. The name “Albani” appeared in historical sources not earlier than the 9th century. Byzantine historians employed the name “Albani” for the Slavic inhabitants living around the sea-port of Durazzo (ancient Dyrrhachium) in North Albania. However, from the second half of the 11th century, the name “Albani” (in Latin, Arbanensis, or Albanenses, in Greek, Αλβανοι or Αρβανιται) was associated with all Albanian tribes who inhabited the Balkans in the 1040s.[11]

In the Middle Ages, the “Albanoi” lived in the area between the cities of Skadar (Scodra), Prizren, Ohrid and Valona. According to the champions of the Illyrian theory of the Albanian ethnogenesis, the Slavic raids and migrations to the Balkans in the early Middle Ages did not affect the native inhabitants of the territory of present-day Albania. They continued to live there, preserving their own culture, habits and social organisation. The southern Illyrian provinces retained their earlier ethnic composition. And of course, this ethnic composition was identified, although without supporting evidence in the sources, as the Albanian regardless of historical evidence and facts that the original homeland of modern Balkan Albanians is ancient Caucasian Albania wherefrom, via Sicily, Albanians arrived to the Balkans only in 1043 according to several independent historical sources, among whom the most reliable is Byzantine chronographer Michael Ataliota.[12] This historical fact is recognized even by objective Albanian historians, who are not under the political pressure by the ruling regime in Tirana, like Stefano Pollo and Arben Puto[13] but, regretablly, not by Albanian nationalists who are falsifying the history of the Balkans.[14]


This text is a critical contribution to the next updated and revised edition of the infamous book of pro-Albanian propaganda:

Noel Malcolm, Kosovo: A Short History, New York: New York University Press, 1999.


[1] Stipčević A. Every Story About the Balkans Begins with the Illyrians. Priština, 1985; Buda A. “The Southern Illyrians as a Problem of Historiography”. Historical Writings. vol. 1. 13–15. During the last decades, many scholars have claimed that the Balkan Illyrians (and Thracians) were nothing else but ethnolinguistic Serbs [Бајић Ј. Блажени Јероним, Солинска црква и Србо-Далмати. Шабац, 2003; Деретић И. Ј., Антић П. Д., Јарчевић М. С. Измишљено досељавање Срба. Београд: Сардонија, 2009; Милановић М. Историјско порекло Срба. Београд: Admiral Books, 2011; Земљанички Б. Срби староседеоци Балкана и Паноније у војним и цивилним догађајима са Римљанима и Хеленима од I до X века. Београд: Стручна књига, 1999]. In other words, they claim, that the Serbs, but not the Albanians, are the only autochthonous people (nation) on the Balkan Peninsula, according to the historical sources of the time.

[2] Islami S., Anamali S., Korkuti M, Prendi F. Les Illyriens. Tirana, 1985. 5; Anamali S. “The Illyrians and the Albanians”. Prifti K., Nasi L., Omari L., Xhufi P., Pulaha S., Pollo S., Shtylla Z. (eds.). The Truth on Kosova. Tirana. 1993. 5; Cabanes P. Les Illyriens de Bardylis à Genthios, IV–II siècles avant J.C. Paris, 1988. 17. The borders of geographical distribution of the Illyrian population in Antique Balkans are primarily reconstructed according to the writings of the Greek historians Herodotus who lived in the 5th century B.C. and wrote Historiae and Appianus who lived in the 2nd century A.D. and wrote Illyrica.

[3] The most outstanding Illyrian tribes were: Iapudes, Dalmatae, Autariatae, Docletae and Taulantii.

[4] The Praefectura of Illyricum was subdivided into the following Provinces: Dacia Ripensis, Dacia Mediterranea, Moesia Superior Margensis, Dardania, Praevalis, Macedonia Prima, Macedonia Secunda, Epirus Nova, Epirus Vetus, Thessalia, Achaia and Creta.

[5] Ростовцев М. Историја старога света: Грчка и Рим. Нови Сад: Матица српска, 1990. 383−384.

[6] Regardless of the fact that the Latin language did not replace the Illyrian one in the territory of Albania during Roman rule, Latin did not become the language of the common people. The Illyrian language was Romanised to a certain degree and the Latin alphabet was later chosen by the Albanian national leaders as the national script of the Albanians (one of the reasons for such a decision was purely political). For sure, the Roman culture and Latin language participated in the process of the ethnogenesis of the Albanians. However, the proponents of the Illyrian theory of Albanian ethnogenesis refute this opinion emphasising that the number of Latin inscriptions found in Albania is small when compared with the number found in the other provinces of the Roman Empire. Their total number is 293. Half of these inscriptions are found in and around the Roman colony located in the ancient city of Dyrrhachium. Theodore Mommsen thought that people used exclusively the Illyrian language in the interior of Albania during the Roman occupation [Mommsen T. The Provinces of the Roman Empire. vol. 1, Chicago, MCMLXXIV. 202–203]. Dardania was one of the least Romanized Balkan regions and its native population preserved its ethnic individuality and consciousness. Subsequently, the Dardanians, who escaped Romanization and survived the South Slavic migrations to the Balkans, emerged in the Middle Ages with the name of the Albanians. Nevertheless, Latin terminology in modern Albanian and the place-names in Albania are evidence of the Illyrian-Albanian Romanization/Latinization.

[7] However, the proponents of the theory of Serbian Balkan origin claim that all Balkan-born Roman emperors (around 20) were ethnic Serbs. Diocletian and Constantine the Great are the most important among them.

[8] Among the South Slavs, and in part among the Poles and Russians, the Illyrian theory of Slavic origin was widespread from the early 16th century to the early 19th century. According to this theory, the South Slavs were the autochthonous population in the Balkans originating from the ancient Illyrians. Furthermore, all Slavs formerly lived in the Balkans and were known by the ancient authors as the Illyrians. At the beginning of the Middle Ages, they split into three groups: one group migrated to Central Europe (the Western Slavs), another group went to Eastern Europe (the Eastern Slavs) while the last group remained in the Balkans (the South Slavs). According to several medieval chronicles, the South Slavic ascendants were the ancient Illyrians, Thracians and Macedonians. Thus, Alexander the Great, Constantine the Great, Diocletian and St. Hieronymus were of South Slavic origin. In the time of Humanism, Renaissance, Reformation and the Counter-Reformation, a number of Dubrovnik (Ragusian) writers became the most prominent champions of this theory. They included Vinko Pribojević (On Origin and History of the Slavs, published in Venice in 1532), Mavro Orbini (De Regno Sclavorum, published in Pesaro in 1601) and Bartol Kašić (Institutiones Linguae Illyricae, published in 1604). Pribojević claimed that all Slavs spoke one common language, which originated in the Balkans. For him, the Russians spoke a Dalmatian dialect of the common Slavic language. This common Slavic language was named by Dubrovnik writers as “Our”, “Illyrian” or “Slavic” one. Subsequently, all Slavs who spoke “Our” language belonged to “Our” people. The influence of the Illyrian theory of (the South) Slavic origin can be seen in: 1) the work of Serbian noblemen from Transylvania, Count Đorđe Branković (1645–1711) who in 1688 wrote the first political program of the South Slavic unification into a free and independent state which he called the “Illyrian Kingdom”; in 2) the fact that Orbini’s De Regno Sclavorum was translated into Russian in 1722; and in 3) that the Croatian movement of national renewal from the time of the first half of the 19th century was officially called as the “Illyrian Movement”.

[9] Miridita Z. Istorija Albanaca (“Iliri i etnogeneza Albanaca”). Beograd, 1969. 9−10; Qabej W. Hyrje në historinë e gjuhës shipe. Prishtinë, 1970. 29–32; Prifti K., Nasi L., Omari L., Xhufi P., Pulaha S., Pollo S., Shtylla Z. (eds.). The Truth on Kosova, Tirana, 1993. 5–73; Dobruna E. “On some ancient toponyms in Kosova”. Onomastika e Kosoves. Prishtina, 1979; Anamali S. “The problem of the formation of the Albanian people in the light of archaeological information”. The National Conference on the formation of the Albanian people, their language and culture. Tirana, 1988; Çabej E. “The problem of the autochthony of Albanians in the light of place-names”. Buletini i Universitetit Shteteror te Tiranes. № 2. 1958. 54–62.  

[10] For instance, see [Ћоровић В. Историја Срба. Београд: БИГЗ, 1993. 3−66; Ферјанчић Б. Византија и Јужни Словени. Београд: Завод за издавање уџбеника Социјалистичке Републике Србије, 1966. 20−26; Kont F. Sloveni. Nastanak i razvoj slovenskih civilizacija u Evropi (VI−XIII vek). Beograd: Zavod za izdavačku delatnost „Filip Višnjić“, 1989. 14−43; Пипер П. Увод у славистику. 1. Београд: Завод за уџбенике и наставна средства Београд, 1998. 81−96].

[11] The name for the Albanians – “Арбанаси” is derived from the Latin name for the Albanians as the “Arbanenses”.

[12] Michael Ataliota. Corpus Scriptorum Historiae Byzantine. Bonn: Weber, 1853. 18.

[13] Stefano Pollo, Arben Puto. The History of Albania. London, Boston, Hebley: Routledge & Kegan, 1981. 37.

[14] Кавкаски Албанци – Лажни Илири, Проширени текстови реферата изложених 21. јуна 2007. године на мултидисциплинарном столу САНУ „Методолошки проблем истраживања порекла Албанаца“, Београд: Пешић и синови, 2007.

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  1. The article is of pure truth! The most fake history of the Balkans is that Albanians are Illyrians. Pure German-Albanian anti-Greek and anti-Slavic propaganda

  2. This is ridiculous. The author clearly has no understanding of history. Does this website really pander such historical lies and obfuscation?

    First of all, the first mention of the name Albania is not in the 9th century but in 150 AD by Ptolemy, Albanoi and Albanopolis, and the name also never at any point in history referred to Slavs or Serbs.

    The first point fails to be relevant as to the origins of Albanians. He wrongfully and ignorantly associates ancient groups of people with modern nation states. The Province of Illyricum didn’t encompass all of Illyria either way. You had the provinces of Dardania, Moesia, as well, for that. But these are administrative regions created by the Romans, not to accurately depict the demographics of the place but to administrate their empire. However, the author is ignorant of the fact that the Romans differentiated between Illyris Romana, also known as Illyricum, and Illyris Graecia, also known as Epirus Nova.

    The author wrongly references Michael Attaleiates’ Historia, who never mentions the Caucasus in his account of Latin and Albanian revolts, nor does he mention where Albanians originate from, because his interest lies in describing the circumstances around the revolt. When one does a search for the source of the author’s information, the hallowed library of historical knowledge and wisdom that is Stormfront comes up, down to the stupid misspelling of Attaleiates’ surname. And for all of his words, he does nothing to follow up on his claims that Albanians are from the Caucasus (by way of Sicily even).

    I could say a lot more, but I have absolutely no need to, because from these three examples, it’s clear that Mr. Sotirovic shouldn’t talk about history, at least not Albanian history. Even if his facts were accurate, which they are not, it wouldn’t go very far to make any sort of point regarding the origins of Albanians. He doesn’t even scratch at, or try to, the arguments of the other side, because it doesn’t suit his agenda, or he’s just incompetent.

  3. To Herr Abubu

    The text is based on historical sources. Ptolemy is not mentioning any kind of Albanians as the people but only Illyrian tribe Albanoi who has nothing common with modern Albanians. All objective historians well know that ancient Illyrians were in fact the Slavs or better to say the Serbs. Byzantine historians Ataliota exactly mentioned Caucasus as homeland of modern Balkan Albanians who, according to him, came to Balkans from sicily in 1943 led by Byzantine strateg (general) Maniacus. Read the original in Greek language!

    You are just pro-Albanian troll!

  4. According to Herr Abubu, Oriental Review has to publish only pro-Albanian propaganda.

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  6. My dear people, are you aware that the man who writes this text of a globalist who is paying evil is called SOROS . This is a man who works very perfidious propaganda written in the SOROS Foundation’s kitchens in Washington . . How can he be anti-globalist and hold tenure in Lithuania?

  7. My dear people,

    Damir Mehic is Croat-Bosniak troll working for nazi-fascist HDZ of Herzeg-Bosna.

  8. Hi Damir,

    Something is quite wring or at least not logic in your claim about the author: if he works for Soros as troll than his article has to be anti-Serbian and pro-Albanian!!! We know well whom support garbage Soros. Can you explain this phenomena – working for Soros in EU/NATO and anti-Serb university and country (Lithuania) but writing “pro-Serb” articles?

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  11. V. Sotirović is a paid SOROS tool!!! His only purpose is to sow discord. Nothing less nothing more.

  12. Dimitar is Tachi troll working for daily honorarium to propagate Greater Albania

  13. Jean Pierre C.

    Written by Serb Vladislav Sotirovic, lol. And he even exposed his agenda in the comments by calling people with other opinions nazists, fascist and Thaci trolls. This guy is a joke who got his historical facts in the serbian newspapers and media outlets.

  14. Jean Pierre C. is obviously an Albanian propagandist of a Greater nazifascist Albania sponsored by NATO as it was already created by Mussolini in 1941. Such trabants like JPC are using as “sources” whitewashing Balkan history by Albanian Academy of Science in Tirana.

  15. @kosovo kosovo

    I simply expect a higher level of work, not basically copypasting nonsense propaganda from Stormfront. A professor should hold himself to higher standards. And I am Kosovo Albanian, but because of maturity gained through Christ, the Logos, I am able to see through and denounce the typical idiot Balkanite turbonationalism. As you can see in this comment section, people from both sides are unable of discussing, instead they hurl accusations at each other.

  16. @Herr Abubu

    That you are Albanian is the best answer to your propaganda comment going to favor of creation of a Greater Nazi Albania by killing all Kosovo Serbs. Most probably your hand are in full covered by Kosovo Serbian blood when you have been a member of Tachi nacifascist UCK.

  17. How are you not embarrassed to write such nonsense? The Albanian language and more importantly, Albanian genetics prove that we are the descendants of indigenous Illyrians. Your lies and propaganda don’t work anymore. Your nation is better off apologiing and trying to work together to a peaceful future.

  18. To Iveza

    Albanians are the most lying nation after Croats! Albanians has nothing in common with Illyrians who are ethnic Serbs. Albanians and Croats are even genetically Nazifascist people killing Serbs in the form of genocide.

  19. Omg hahahah.Illyrians are Ethnic Serbs?So you took Illyrians from us.Ok.Kosovo is Serbia?You took Kosovo from Us,no problem.Could you please take also Enver Hoxha????.
    Dear Serbs,you are young in balkans,you came on 6-9 century Ad.
    Albanians speak a language which is rare and all of you have to understand that it comes from old illyrian language.I can give you 100 examples about this.
    Shkodra-Skodrinon(Sko+Drinon)Today we say shko instead of Sko,which means go.Drinon is river Drin.
    It is translated go-drin(ethymology a place where river flows).
    Ethnography is also another prove.
    Traditons,dances,read about the death dance in Albanian mountains.
    Listen serbs,whatever i say,you will start finding fake proves.Instead of apologising for the Kosovo massacre which i totally call a genocide,you continue by your own way.Apologise for those butcheries and look forward.
    Best regards

  20. To Joni

    Albanians are the most Nazi garbage nation in the Balkans after the Croats. Albanians came to the Balkans only in the year of 1043 from Caucasus Albania. The Serbs are autochtonous Balkan nation living there 3000 years before Nazi Albanians came to Balkans to kill Serbs, Greeks and other original people in their homes.

  21. My God Please do your research when writing about history and Illyrians you barbaric people who have put shame on yourself for centuries in history with killings of many Albanians during the 100 years and more.

  22. @Sotiroviç.
    What exactly is this Greater Albania?
    We know for example what is Greater Servia and other greater similar in Balcans, chauvinist ideologies, written down in the papers with their ideologues and with the terrible consequences for the people in this part of the world. There are speeches in respective national parliaments, there are written platforms with authors with name and surnames, etc, we have examples from Servia in this regard, Naçertania was initially provided to the servs from a Polish Prince and later was devolped by a terrorist named Ilia Garashanin.
    I am an Albanian Can you tell me please where i can read about this Greater Albania? There is an written platform somewhere? There are ideologues of this Greater Albania, who are these people, can you give some names and can you quote some of their works?
    Further reading:

    P. S.
    I have an advise for you Mr. Sotiroviç and for the other servs, stop with this complex of inferiority. One of the most credible theories regarding the serv ethnogenesis is that exactly your original homeland is Caucasus

  23. Denis Berbati

    Mr. Sotirovic
    You made my day with these jokes, you really should change your profession

    Best Regards ?

  24. @ Denis Berbati

    Probably Mr. Sotirovic will never answer you as you are the absolute ZERO in this world and no one absolutely cares about your lost days of life.

  25. Denis Berbati

    @ Sanimideg

    Yes probably ! At least you are caring to answer my comment , and for Mr. Sotirovic i know that he can’t answer my comment , for that is an old expression ” The truth hurt’s ” .

  26. Dear Denis, only the idiots are answering to the idiots and their comments! The author is surely not as I am as just to inform you.

  27. Denis Berbati


    Did you just answer my comment !? Believing something that isn’t true is called a “delusion”. Believing something that you *know* isn’t true is probably more closely associated with cognitive dissonance.

  28. I am modern Albanian and according to my DNA test, I am pure Illyrian. I do not know but Serbians they should stop using propaganda without proves or using propaganda which is originating from Slavic and their collaborator’s propaganda. I feel sorry for you! You should grow up! Albanians today are educated, they rapidly progressing in every field, whereas Serbian propaganda is the same.

  29. Your DNA is approved by war criminal Hashim Tachi or notorious gangster Bill Clinton?

  30. I can see how poorly you are educated! You are only pollution! i am not going to argue with you because you are worthless and uneducated. You are polluting firtsly yourself than Serbia.

    Vi treba da svatite jednom i zauvjeke Albanci nisu Albanci proslog veka kao vi Srbi. Abanci ili Orlov narod bice narod koji ce dominira Balkan, Evropu a bogami i svetom. Zbog toga opametitese i dosle vreme da se izvinite za genocida koju ste ucinili u Kosovo, Bosnu i Hrvatskoj. Zbogom zauvjek Srbine od proslog veka!

  31. To Agron

    You are obviously a troll of Nazifascist Greater Albania propagating further historical genocide on Kosovo Serbs by barbarian Muslim Albanians.

  32. @Agron

    Obviously you are not living in the last but in the 19th century in 1878 and First Albanian Imperialistic Prizren Leage to create ethnically cleansed Greater Albania.

  33. And what was exactly Imperialistic in the First League of Prizren? I hope that this time you will have an answer.

  34. To Laberia

    To occupy the lands of others and to commit ethnic cleansing of others is not only imperialism but as well racist Nazifascism. I would say on this way. Maybe the author has different opinion.

  35. @Sanimideg
    My question was addressed to this charlatan who pretend to be a scholar, Sotiroviç.
    Since you decided to answer, i have some questions for you:
    1) Are you a sock puppet of this Sotiroviç? Because with this kind of “scholar” we are dealing here.
    2)What have to do League of Prizren with Nazifascism? Because only the brain of a servian can make this kind of connections.
    3) The League of Prizren was exactly an response to the imperialistic ambitions of servian bourgeoisie. Let me remind you the ethnic cleansing of the Albanians from their native lands in what today is called south servia:–1878
    It’s a page of Wikipedia, an open platform and where is visible the hand of the servian net-warriors, but can be a good starting point for someone who is interested on how servia with the help of the Great Powers turned to be from the small Pashalluk of Belgrade created by Ottomans in a city once an Hungarian city, in what is today

  36. @Labi

    Obviously you are JUST Albanian and nothing more concerning any kind of academia. It it quite visible from the using Albanian (originally Turkish) graphem for the righting o the author’s surname’s sufix. Any serious discussion with you is simply wasting time – continue to use Wikipedia’s fake news and enjoy “the historical truth”.

  37. @Balkans
    I quoted one of your most famous bandits, member of the kamikaze comando who killed Archiduke Ferdinand and also member of that criminal organization called SANU, Academy of Science of Servia, Vaso Çubriloviç. Read him, it’s directly from the horse mouth.
    Still i don’t have an answer to my questions

  38. @Laberia

    The freedom fighters who eliminated the gangsters from European politics are celebrated by all civilized democratic world as the heroes.

    “If no Croats, the Albanians would be the biggest criminal nation in Europe”
    Old Balkan proverb

  39. Well balkan people knows how to make propaganda in everyways.SHOW ME PROOFS THAT ALEXANDER THE GREAT WAS SLAV.

  40. To john long

    Show the proof he was not.

  41. yea thats why we have pagan traditions, dna proof, and wear a plis. But you say that this is propaganda because thats your last hope. Have you ever heard of the snake cult, the Xhubleta, gjama e burrave, cyla dyjare. Ptolemay mentioned Albania in the 150 AD with its capital Albanopolis (modern day Durres). Have you ever heard of the plis, that white cap that we wear? or is that Serbian too. Also in a Church in Durres there was found a mosaik with a guy waering a plis and text saying “Ha pak ke taq” and that means “Eat a little so you have too eat later”. I dident read your article because i know its full of bullshit and you are saying that we come from caucus woth no proof of an migration. We have more in common with Illyrians that you shavs will ever have.

    whatever proof we have you say “its not true” because you buthurt serbs dont have history. You guys try to steal out heros and say that our language is a mix.

    And also what writer says in the comments that we are criminals and Thaci is a Criminal?

  42. To Lirian

    Ptolemay’s Albania has nothing to do with today Albanians as present-day Albanians arrived in 1043 AD to the Balkans. If you ask why Tachi is criminal or Albanians are barbarians you are lost.

  43. We are giving too much importance to this charlatan who pretend to be a scholar but who looks like multi account troll in some stupid forum. Let’s close this issue once for all.
    Guys, do you know what real scholars do when they want to understand Homer? They study the Albanian customs and traditions:

    A comparison of the Albanian Kanun and the Shield of Achilles in The Iliad.
    By N.G.L Hammond, 7 pages.

    “Thus, since blood-feuds are absent elsewhere, it is very strange to find one so prominently depicted on the shield of Achilles. The explanation is surely that the poet was here, as in the sensitive and horrifying description of war versus heroic combat in Iliad 18.535-40, drawing on the experience of the eighth century during which he was composing his epic.”

    “The Scene in Iliad 18.497-508 and the Albanian Blood-feud”

    by Nicholas Geoffrey Lemprière Hammond


    Meanwhile you servs:
    Each year the Avars came to the Serbs to spend the winter and slept with the wives and daughters of the Serbs. The Serbs tolerated other perfidies as well, and also paid tribute to the Avars. The sons, however, which the Avars had fathered with the women and daughters of Serb menfolk, would not tolerate this brutal oppression and refused to subject themselves to Avars.
    The Avars humiliated the Serbs, forcing them to draw their carts like pack horses.”
    -From the Chronicles of Fredegarius

    ‘Visual History of the World’, by Douglas G. Brinkley

    ” But when two brothers succeeded their father in the rule of Serbia, one of them, taking one half of the folk, claimed the protection of Heraclius, the emperor of the Romans, and the same emperor Heraclius recieved him and gave him a place in the province of Thessalonica to settle in, namely Serbia, which from that time has acquired this denomination. ‘Serbs’ in the tongue of the Romans is the word for ‘slaves’, whence the colloquial ‘serbula’ for menial shoes, and ‘tzerboulianoi’ for those who wear cheap, shoddy footgear. This name the Serbs acquired from their being slaves of the emperor of the Romans.”
    “DE ADMINISTRANDO IMPERIO” by Constantine Porphyrogenitus, paragraph 32, written between the years AD 948-952.

    Have a nice day servs.

  44. Labëria is right. Labëria is just Nazi Albanian demagogue and therefore we have to ignore such propagandists.

  45. Caucasian Albania theory was debunked ages ago, but I’m not surprised you cetniks have heard about it. Besides it is proven that albanians are indo-european and proto-balkanic by genes and language tree. And to the retard in the the comments who obviously didnt even read the one right thing in the article, slavs are as far away to illyrians you can get. Illyrians assimulated 100 years before even the slavs emigrated to Balkan in the 7th century. Unlike this imbecile author, i did not pull this out my ass, so please group up you inbred sputnik reader, stop thinking everything is some conspiracy against you and your shitstain countries and learn to have a real discussion.

  46. Hi!
    Exactly , what is the genetic proof that corroborate the ‘ Kavkaz hypothesy ? What was their ydna !? I mean , the ydna of that populace that supposedly came from Kavkaz … Any genetic proof!?
    By the way …. charching everyone being a nazi is a very uneducated attitude … bye !

  47. To Gabri

    Historical sources are telling what they are telling. BTW, to hide the Nazism is to collaborate with such garbage of people.

  48. no need for more lies and bullshits, it is very simple today, just look at similarities of albanian and illyrian words, today you are lucky to see by yourself illyrian artifacts, also look albanian words in Iliad written by Homer, the other thing you have to do is make a DNA test an watch the results then throw it in the trash box and be silent forever

    about caucasian albania, just find some words that are the same with balkanic Albania (the language is difficult to be changed forgotten), if you find any you can demonstrate them as facts instead of parroting unsupported lies, And it wasn’t called even albania back then, it was called Arberia, you have today Arberesh in southern Italy and Arbanasi in Croatia that fled during ottoman invasion, you have also Arvanites in Greece, it is actually Arbanites in latin but B is read as V in greek or Cyrillic alphabet

    if you want to connect modern balkanic Albania (Shqiperia as called from Albanians/Shqiptaret or Arberia as it was called 500 years ago) with other countries just by the name then you can use the same argument for Scottish Albania, Alboi of GB, or Albany of NY state

  49. To Dianor

    You are typical forger of historical facts. Even Albanian historian abroad are not supporting your propaganda

  50. There are no similarities between serbian language and names with the Illyrians whatsover i mean zero, but if you’re not ignorant check the similarities with the today albanian language and names and the ancient Illyrians you will get your answer!
    Serbs are illyrians? Are you some sort of stupid?! You arrive in the 6th century and you claim to be autochthonous people?! Come on lets not be silly now.
    The biggest fear for serbs,north macedonians and greeks is to link the Albanian people with ancient illyrians because that would mean proof that the albanians are autochthonous people of the balkans so they try their hardest to evaporate that idea in any way possible even by ridiculously claiming that the serbs are ancient illyrians?!
    This article is clearly aimed at stupid people!!!

    Dear readers this article is written by a serb! That should say it all!!
    I cannot believe the uneducated stupidity i just read.

  51. About Noli’s comment:

    Dear readers, this comment is written by an Albanian! That should say it all!!
    I cannot believe the uneducated stupidity i just read in a comment.

  52. Noli,
    Albanians came to the Balkans in 1043. Even the Romans call you Aravanites (ARABanites). And what does the word Alban mean in Albanian and why your ethnonym is Shqiptarët, if you are the heirs of the Albani tribe.
    Serbs are Panonian Illyrians migrated to South Bosnia.

    Illyrian words vs Albanian vs Bulgarian vs Serbian
    Tertigio(market) – trege – tŭrgo – tr̂ɡ

    Typpical “Albanian” name Vesclevesis(Весклавий)

    Serbs and Croats – Panonian Illyrians
    Bulgars – Thracians and Dardani
    Albanians – tribe with unknown origin, but not Balkan origin.

    Do not try to make a false etymology of illyrian names and words. Because the Slavic name Albania / Arbania means “slave land”

  53. Knyaz krum and mr.Sotirobitch…please can you decrypt the meaning of Illyria in you slavic language…you pure pannonian illyrians…please butthurts…if you can…and it actually matches the ethymology and the genesis illyrian culture then im concerned…come mr.sotirobitch start writing fast…Illyria,serbia,illyria in slavic…translate you pure pannonian educated illyrian…what does Illyria mean…

  54. We live in the year 2019 and Mr. Sotirovic writes such a moronic publication, without a single reason that proves his Serbian hypothesis. I will only briefly give my opinion without historical justification but with facts that connect our time with the Illyrian Mythology.

    Proof from Albanian Kulla (a typical Albanian house):
    Fortunately, a few Kulla still exist today. Serbs did not destroy in the last Kosovo war. Not that they didn’t want to destroy them, but they didn’t know how important these symbols are to devalue such hypotheses. The usual Serbian hypothesis that says: Albanians are not the descendants of Illyrians and that they also come from Caucasus. In the main entrance of the Kullat there are always two symbols, a snake and a sun (see the pictures from the link, and visit Kosovo and Albania to find these two symbols: People who know something about Illyrians, know exactly what these two symbols mean.

    Proof from the Albanian language:
    Kulla is Albanian heir, from ancient times until today.
    In today’s Albanian language sun means Diell (read Djell) and son means Djal. Also in all other European languages there is a connection between son and sun, also in Serbian even. Albanians call the snake gjarpër, which stands in very close relationship with daughter (Serbian çerka). Albanians call the daughter Va(j)z (read as Wa-(i)s) (in google translation is translated as bije, which is another word for dauchter). In Polish language snake means waz or Armenian odz. In polish it sounds is very similar, in Armenian oz a little less.
    From our parents and grandparents, we learn that daughter the ora of the house is, and every house has an ora (protector, snake). For Albanians it is forbidden to kill the snake of the haus. That was for Mr. Sotirovic. My advice to you: learn Albanian first…

  55. We live in the year 2019 and Mr. Sotirovic writes such a moronic publication, without a single reason that proves his Serbian hypothesis. I will only briefly give my opinion without historical justification but with facts that connect our time with the Illyrian Mythology.

    Proof from Albanian Kulla (a typical Albanian house):
    Fortunately, a few Kulla still exist today. Serbs did not destroy in the last Kosovo war. Not that they didn’t want to destroy them, but they didn’t know how important these symbols are to devalue such hypotheses. The usual Serbian hypothesis that says: Albanians are not the descendants of Illyrians and that they also come from Caucasus. In the main entrance of the Kullat there are always two symbols, a snake and a sun (see the pictures from the link, and visit Kosovo and Albania to find these two symbols: People who know something about Illyrians, know exactly what these two symbols mean.

    Proof from the Albanian language:
    Kulla is Albanian heir, from ancient times until today.
    In today’s Albanian language sun means Diell (read Djell) and son means Djal. Also in all other European languages there is a connection between son and sun, also in Serbian even. Albanians call the snake gjarpër, which stands in very close relationship with daughter (Serbian çerka). Albanians call the daughter Va(j)z (read as Wa-(i)s) (in google translation is translated as bije, which is another word for daughter). In Polish language snake means waz or Armenian odz. In polish it sounds is very similar, in Armenian oz a little less.
    From our parents and grandparents, we learn that daughter the ora of the house is, and every house has an ora (protector, snake). For Albanians it is forbidden to kill the snake of the haus. That was for Mr. Sotirovic. My advice to you: learn Albanian first…

  56. Shpend is a typical forger of Balkan history who promulgate 19thc. quasi-academic romanticist Albanian hypotesis and falsify history

  57. I say nothing hypothetical, go and see the Albanian Kulla-s and learn Albanian. Fortunately, both exists, Kulla and the Albanian language. I am confident that only those who understand Albanian and have studied history are able to write something reliable about the origin of Albanians, but not this last Serbian-educated clown, Dr. Sotiro-vic.

  58. The biggest regret is that the sarmatian serboi was allowed to come into Europe.and you link yourselves with illyrians and claim to be natives?How can you be natives when you are not from here and your arrival is documented in the 7th century?!!!I don’t understand your kind, either you are delusional or just mentally retarded.this article is a joke written by a self proclaimed “historian”.

  59. To Arben:

    The most biggest regret is that Albanians are existing at all. However, it is documented in 1043 that Albanians via Sicily came to the Balkans from the Caucasus and there are a lot of sources cleary telling that the Illyrians were Serbs.

  60. One can tell a lot just by reading the comments. In one side you have the Albanians who even cite sources when they comment, on the other you have servs (servants) who only troll (one sentence comment) by calling these writers names and bring nothing, while they go as far as to come/register here with Spanish names to make it look like you even have spanish people thinking like servs. It’s so obvious the author is another but-hurt servian giving another try to their old false propaganda.

  61. Albanians are “citing” falsified “sources” as USA authorities are “proving” their impoerialistic policy. Njani is the biggest Albanian troll here

  62. To carnex.where are these so called documents then?I will be more than happy to read them if you could give me a link or provide a source.i will give you links and historian references that document your arrival from modern day iran.the so called serboi or serbi from Asiatic sarmatian along with the huns you should of never been allowed here.

  63. To you say that albanians come from caucaus then go to Sicily then come to the balkans??we zig zag across the continent.the we find the serboi who are the descendent’s of the Illyrians and then we evil Albanians come from Sicily take their land and their language and the traditions leaving poor serboi with nothing.again this is expected coming from a nation with identity issues who claim to come from two different places at the same time.your bigger of joke than the guy who wrote the article. Lol American propaganda.

  64. Funny how this Sotirovic writes about racism in Albanian culture while he simultaneously makes racist comments against Albanians. The fact is Serbs are just as racist if not more, and so are all of the surrounding nations in the balkans.
    This “research” is filled with political motivations and an obvious smear against Albanians so the Serbian crimes against them are justified.
    This Caucasus theory was disproved over 100 years ago when the Albanian language was understood to have no connections to that region but does have similarities to latin, Greek, Italian, Turkish, and slavic. Any credible linguist that has knowledge on the topic will tell you Albanian is not a language from the caucasus.
    This theory isn’t supported by any real evidence but because Albanians didn’t become literate until very late in their history (Illyrians were also illiterate), it makes it much harder for them to argue against it.
    Fortunately, there are still many Albanian/Illyrian connections despite nothing ever being written down. The unique language and names make a strong case, but so do other consistent historical records like the plius or plis, the white skull cap, that was worn by Illyrians and is still worn by Albanians today.
    All of this nonsense about Albanians being Africans, Turks, Armenians, gypsies, or whatever is about Kosovo. A place that used to be called Dardania. In 1854, linguists proposed that Dardania was derived from a proto-Albanian word meaning pear-tree. The earliest mention of Dardanians (Illyrian tribe) was when their king Bardyllis succeeded in bringing together various tribes into a single organization. In Albanian bardh-yll means white-star. Many Albanians today have the name.

  65. Testing comment. Kosovo is Albania.

  66. Testing comment. Kosovo and North Albania are Serbia

  67. First of all, the world knows that Albanians are autochthonous and Serbs came here on the 7th century, I have one question for you, how do you explain the fact that all Illyrian names translate only to Albanian, even the name Serb translates only to Albanian.

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  70. Why are you people so afraid to accept that Illyrians are the ancestors of the Albanians. What is wrong with you people?

  71. @Shqiptari

    Obviously the reason is that the theory is fake and extremely politicized.

  72. Only Albanians believe in the Illyrian theory of Albanian ethnogenesis. But this is just believe based on the politics and nothing to do with the science

  73. Albanians are the True Illyrians, if you wants i send to you here Illyrian words that have Albanian explained

  74. Illyrian language is not recorded as they nothing left in their language! About them there are sources in Greek and Latin but not in Illyrian.

  75. To write what he did about Macedonians, “Sotir” has to be a Vlach.

  76. What about E-V13, J2B2-L283 and R1b-Z2103 haplogroups that were found in Balkan territory dating from 5000BC to 1500BC in which halpogroups Albanians are majority.

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