The Illyrians: Autochthonous Balkan People having Nothing Common with Modern Albanians

It is true that every story about the Balkan Peninsula begins with the ancient Illyrians.[1] Historians believe that these Indo-European people were one of the largest European populations to inhabit the western portion of the Balkans from the coasts of the Ionian Sea and the Adriatic Sea to the Alps about 1000 B.C. Their eastern neighbours were also Indo-European peoples – the Thracians. The demarcation line between their settlements and their cultural and political influence was the Morava river in present-day Serbia (in Latin Margus, located in the Roman province of Moesia Superior) and the Vardar river in present-day FYR of Macedonia. On the north, on the shores of the Sava and the Danube rivers, their neighbours were the Celts, while on the south the Mt Pindus separated the Illyrians from the ancient Macedonians (who had nothing to do with today “Macedonians”) and the Greeks.[2] The Illyrians lived on the eastern littoral of the Adriatic Sea around 500 B.C. according to the Greek geographer Hecatei (Hecateus) from the city of Miletus in Asia Minor. According to the early Byzantine historian Pseudo-Scilac, who lived 150 years later, the Illyrian settlements in the Balkans in the south extended to the southern Albanian port of Valona (Vlorë).[3] Among the ancient and early medieval historians and geographers, the most reliable information on the geographic dispersion of the Illyrians and the demography of the Illyrian territory appears in the writings of Herodotus, Livy, Pliny, Ptolemy, Appianus, Strabo, Procopius of Caesarea, Synecdemos of Hierocles, Isidorus Hispaniensis, and Euagrius.

When the Celts came to the Balkans in the 3rd century B.C. some of the Illyrian tribes mixed with them. In the same century, the Illyrian King Agron from the Ardaei tribe organised the first Illyrian state. At the time of greatest expansion, its borders extended to the Neretva river in Dalmatia, to Bosnia and Herzegovina, the Vjosë river in the Southern Albania and Lake Ohrid in Macedonia. Some of the 20th-century Albanian historians and national workers claimed with a pure ethnopolitical purpose that a proclamation of an independent state of Albania on November 28th, 1912 was based on the Albanian political-state inheritance which dated back to King Agron’s the Illyrian Kingdom. Nevertheless, the Romans succeeded in defeating the Illyrians and abolishing their state organisation during the three Illyrian-Roman Wars between 229 and 168 B.C.

Second Illyrian War Map
Second Illyrian War Map, 218 BC

The administratively-political concept of “Illyria”, or “Illyricum”, was used in subsequent centuries by the Romans who after the new conquests in the Balkans established first the Province of Illyricum, and in the 4th century the Praefectura of Illyricum.[4] It stretched from the Istrian Peninsula in the north-west to Northern Albania on the south-east, and from the Adriatic littoral in the south to the Drava river in the north. However, the main portion of present-day Albania was not included in this “Illyrian” province and became part of the Roman Province of Macedonia. This was the result of the Roman conclusion that only the territory of Northern Albania had been settled by the Illyrian tribes, but not the Central and Southern Albania. The proponents of the Illyrian theory of the origins of the Albanians did not provide an answer to the question of why all of Albania was not absorbed into the Roman Province of Illyricum if it was entirely settled by the ancient Illyrians (who are wrongly but purposely claimed by the Albanians to be the Albanian progenitors)? The Romans finally brought under control all of the Illyrian tribes during a new war of 6−9 A.D.[5]

From that time the overwhelming and very successful process of Romanization of the whole Balkan Peninsula began.[6] Some protagonists of the Illyrian theory of the Albanian ethnic origin developed the hypothesis that the Roman Emperors Aurelian, Diocletian and Probus, who originated in the western part of the Balkans, which was settled by the Illyrian tribes, were the predecessors of the modern Albanian nation.[7] During the reign of Diocletian (284–305), who was of the Illyrian origin, the whole Balkan Peninsula, except its eastern part, was administratively organised as the Praefectura Illyricum. Mainly due to such Roman administrative organisation of the Balkans the names Illyria and the Illyrians were preserved for a very long period of time as common names for the peoples who lived in the western and central parts of the Balkans, i.e. for the South Slavs[8] and the Albanians.[9] However, according to the 19th−21st-century official sciences of history, ethnology and philology (but not according to many relevant sources), the Illyrians and Slavs were not synonymous as the later came to the Balkans 1.500 years after the Illyrians.[10]

Europe in IX century
Europe in IX century

Clearly, the name Illyrians disappeared in the 7th century at the time of the Slavic migrations to the Balkans. After the 6th century, however, Byzantine texts do not record any accounts of Illyrians abandoning Balkan territories from the Dalmatian Alps to the Danube. The new Illyrian political and cultural centre became the region of Arbanum (in Greek, Αρβανον or Αλβανον, in Serbian, Рабан) in South Albania. The name “Albani” appeared in historical sources not earlier than the 9th century. Byzantine historians employed the name “Albani” for the Slavic inhabitants living around the sea-port of Durazzo (ancient Dyrrhachium) in North Albania. However, from the second half of the 11th century, the name “Albani” (in Latin, Arbanensis, or Albanenses, in Greek, Αλβανοι or Αρβανιται) was associated with all Albanian tribes who inhabited the Balkans in the 1040s.[11]

In the Middle Ages, the “Albanoi” lived in the area between the cities of Skadar (Scodra), Prizren, Ohrid and Valona. According to the champions of the Illyrian theory of the Albanian ethnogenesis, the Slavic raids and migrations to the Balkans in the early Middle Ages did not affect the native inhabitants of the territory of present-day Albania. They continued to live there, preserving their own culture, habits and social organisation. The southern Illyrian provinces retained their earlier ethnic composition. And of course, this ethnic composition was identified, although without supporting evidence in the sources, as the Albanian regardless of historical evidence and facts that the original homeland of modern Balkan Albanians is ancient Caucasian Albania wherefrom, via Sicily, Albanians arrived to the Balkans only in 1043 according to several independent historical sources, among whom the most reliable is Byzantine chronographer Michael Ataliota.[12] This historical fact is recognized even by objective Albanian historians, who are not under the political pressure by the ruling regime in Tirana, like Stefano Pollo and Arben Puto[13] but, regretablly, not by Albanian nationalists who are falsifying the history of the Balkans.[14]

Note:

This text is a critical contribution to the next updated and revised edition of the infamous book of pro-Albanian propaganda:

Noel Malcolm, Kosovo: A Short History, New York: New York University Press, 1999.

ENDNOTES:

[1] Stipčević A. Every Story About the Balkans Begins with the Illyrians. Priština, 1985; Buda A. “The Southern Illyrians as a Problem of Historiography”. Historical Writings. vol. 1. 13–15. During the last decades, many scholars have claimed that the Balkan Illyrians (and Thracians) were nothing else but ethnolinguistic Serbs [Бајић Ј. Блажени Јероним, Солинска црква и Србо-Далмати. Шабац, 2003; Деретић И. Ј., Антић П. Д., Јарчевић М. С. Измишљено досељавање Срба. Београд: Сардонија, 2009; Милановић М. Историјско порекло Срба. Београд: Admiral Books, 2011; Земљанички Б. Срби староседеоци Балкана и Паноније у војним и цивилним догађајима са Римљанима и Хеленима од I до X века. Београд: Стручна књига, 1999]. In other words, they claim, that the Serbs, but not the Albanians, are the only autochthonous people (nation) on the Balkan Peninsula, according to the historical sources of the time.

[2] Islami S., Anamali S., Korkuti M, Prendi F. Les Illyriens. Tirana, 1985. 5; Anamali S. “The Illyrians and the Albanians”. Prifti K., Nasi L., Omari L., Xhufi P., Pulaha S., Pollo S., Shtylla Z. (eds.). The Truth on Kosova. Tirana. 1993. 5; Cabanes P. Les Illyriens de Bardylis à Genthios, IV–II siècles avant J.C. Paris, 1988. 17. The borders of geographical distribution of the Illyrian population in Antique Balkans are primarily reconstructed according to the writings of the Greek historians Herodotus who lived in the 5th century B.C. and wrote Historiae and Appianus who lived in the 2nd century A.D. and wrote Illyrica.

[3] The most outstanding Illyrian tribes were: Iapudes, Dalmatae, Autariatae, Docletae and Taulantii.

[4] The Praefectura of Illyricum was subdivided into the following Provinces: Dacia Ripensis, Dacia Mediterranea, Moesia Superior Margensis, Dardania, Praevalis, Macedonia Prima, Macedonia Secunda, Epirus Nova, Epirus Vetus, Thessalia, Achaia and Creta.

[5] Ростовцев М. Историја старога света: Грчка и Рим. Нови Сад: Матица српска, 1990. 383−384.

[6] Regardless of the fact that the Latin language did not replace the Illyrian one in the territory of Albania during Roman rule, Latin did not become the language of the common people. The Illyrian language was Romanised to a certain degree and the Latin alphabet was later chosen by the Albanian national leaders as the national script of the Albanians (one of the reasons for such a decision was purely political). For sure, the Roman culture and Latin language participated in the process of the ethnogenesis of the Albanians. However, the proponents of the Illyrian theory of Albanian ethnogenesis refute this opinion emphasising that the number of Latin inscriptions found in Albania is small when compared with the number found in the other provinces of the Roman Empire. Their total number is 293. Half of these inscriptions are found in and around the Roman colony located in the ancient city of Dyrrhachium. Theodore Mommsen thought that people used exclusively the Illyrian language in the interior of Albania during the Roman occupation [Mommsen T. The Provinces of the Roman Empire. vol. 1, Chicago, MCMLXXIV. 202–203]. Dardania was one of the least Romanized Balkan regions and its native population preserved its ethnic individuality and consciousness. Subsequently, the Dardanians, who escaped Romanization and survived the South Slavic migrations to the Balkans, emerged in the Middle Ages with the name of the Albanians. Nevertheless, Latin terminology in modern Albanian and the place-names in Albania are evidence of the Illyrian-Albanian Romanization/Latinization.

[7] However, the proponents of the theory of Serbian Balkan origin claim that all Balkan-born Roman emperors (around 20) were ethnic Serbs. Diocletian and Constantine the Great are the most important among them.

[8] Among the South Slavs, and in part among the Poles and Russians, the Illyrian theory of Slavic origin was widespread from the early 16th century to the early 19th century. According to this theory, the South Slavs were the autochthonous population in the Balkans originating from the ancient Illyrians. Furthermore, all Slavs formerly lived in the Balkans and were known by the ancient authors as the Illyrians. At the beginning of the Middle Ages, they split into three groups: one group migrated to Central Europe (the Western Slavs), another group went to Eastern Europe (the Eastern Slavs) while the last group remained in the Balkans (the South Slavs). According to several medieval chronicles, the South Slavic ascendants were the ancient Illyrians, Thracians and Macedonians. Thus, Alexander the Great, Constantine the Great, Diocletian and St. Hieronymus were of South Slavic origin. In the time of Humanism, Renaissance, Reformation and the Counter-Reformation, a number of Dubrovnik (Ragusian) writers became the most prominent champions of this theory. They included Vinko Pribojević (On Origin and History of the Slavs, published in Venice in 1532), Mavro Orbini (De Regno Sclavorum, published in Pesaro in 1601) and Bartol Kašić (Institutiones Linguae Illyricae, published in 1604). Pribojević claimed that all Slavs spoke one common language, which originated in the Balkans. For him, the Russians spoke a Dalmatian dialect of the common Slavic language. This common Slavic language was named by Dubrovnik writers as “Our”, “Illyrian” or “Slavic” one. Subsequently, all Slavs who spoke “Our” language belonged to “Our” people. The influence of the Illyrian theory of (the South) Slavic origin can be seen in: 1) the work of Serbian noblemen from Transylvania, Count Đorđe Branković (1645–1711) who in 1688 wrote the first political program of the South Slavic unification into a free and independent state which he called the “Illyrian Kingdom”; in 2) the fact that Orbini’s De Regno Sclavorum was translated into Russian in 1722; and in 3) that the Croatian movement of national renewal from the time of the first half of the 19th century was officially called as the “Illyrian Movement”.

[9] Miridita Z. Istorija Albanaca (“Iliri i etnogeneza Albanaca”). Beograd, 1969. 9−10; Qabej W. Hyrje në historinë e gjuhës shipe. Prishtinë, 1970. 29–32; Prifti K., Nasi L., Omari L., Xhufi P., Pulaha S., Pollo S., Shtylla Z. (eds.). The Truth on Kosova, Tirana, 1993. 5–73; Dobruna E. “On some ancient toponyms in Kosova”. Onomastika e Kosoves. Prishtina, 1979; Anamali S. “The problem of the formation of the Albanian people in the light of archaeological information”. The National Conference on the formation of the Albanian people, their language and culture. Tirana, 1988; Çabej E. “The problem of the autochthony of Albanians in the light of place-names”. Buletini i Universitetit Shteteror te Tiranes. № 2. 1958. 54–62.  

[10] For instance, see [Ћоровић В. Историја Срба. Београд: БИГЗ, 1993. 3−66; Ферјанчић Б. Византија и Јужни Словени. Београд: Завод за издавање уџбеника Социјалистичке Републике Србије, 1966. 20−26; Kont F. Sloveni. Nastanak i razvoj slovenskih civilizacija u Evropi (VI−XIII vek). Beograd: Zavod za izdavačku delatnost „Filip Višnjić“, 1989. 14−43; Пипер П. Увод у славистику. 1. Београд: Завод за уџбенике и наставна средства Београд, 1998. 81−96].

[11] The name for the Albanians – “Арбанаси” is derived from the Latin name for the Albanians as the “Arbanenses”.

[12] Michael Ataliota. Corpus Scriptorum Historiae Byzantine. Bonn: Weber, 1853. 18.

[13] Stefano Pollo, Arben Puto. The History of Albania. London, Boston, Hebley: Routledge & Kegan, 1981. 37.

[14] Кавкаски Албанци – Лажни Илири, Проширени текстови реферата изложених 21. јуна 2007. године на мултидисциплинарном столу САНУ „Методолошки проблем истраживања порекла Албанаца“, Београд: Пешић и синови, 2007.

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  1. The article is of pure truth! The most fake history of the Balkans is that Albanians are Illyrians. Pure German-Albanian anti-Greek and anti-Slavic propaganda

  2. This is ridiculous. The author clearly has no understanding of history. Does this website really pander such historical lies and obfuscation?

    First of all, the first mention of the name Albania is not in the 9th century but in 150 AD by Ptolemy, Albanoi and Albanopolis, and the name also never at any point in history referred to Slavs or Serbs.

    The first point fails to be relevant as to the origins of Albanians. He wrongfully and ignorantly associates ancient groups of people with modern nation states. The Province of Illyricum didn’t encompass all of Illyria either way. You had the provinces of Dardania, Moesia, as well, for that. But these are administrative regions created by the Romans, not to accurately depict the demographics of the place but to administrate their empire. However, the author is ignorant of the fact that the Romans differentiated between Illyris Romana, also known as Illyricum, and Illyris Graecia, also known as Epirus Nova.

    The author wrongly references Michael Attaleiates’ Historia, who never mentions the Caucasus in his account of Latin and Albanian revolts, nor does he mention where Albanians originate from, because his interest lies in describing the circumstances around the revolt. When one does a search for the source of the author’s information, the hallowed library of historical knowledge and wisdom that is Stormfront comes up, down to the stupid misspelling of Attaleiates’ surname. And for all of his words, he does nothing to follow up on his claims that Albanians are from the Caucasus (by way of Sicily even).

    I could say a lot more, but I have absolutely no need to, because from these three examples, it’s clear that Mr. Sotirovic shouldn’t talk about history, at least not Albanian history. Even if his facts were accurate, which they are not, it wouldn’t go very far to make any sort of point regarding the origins of Albanians. He doesn’t even scratch at, or try to, the arguments of the other side, because it doesn’t suit his agenda, or he’s just incompetent.

  3. To Herr Abubu

    The text is based on historical sources. Ptolemy is not mentioning any kind of Albanians as the people but only Illyrian tribe Albanoi who has nothing common with modern Albanians. All objective historians well know that ancient Illyrians were in fact the Slavs or better to say the Serbs. Byzantine historians Ataliota exactly mentioned Caucasus as homeland of modern Balkan Albanians who, according to him, came to Balkans from sicily in 1943 led by Byzantine strateg (general) Maniacus. Read the original in Greek language!

    You are just pro-Albanian troll!

  4. According to Herr Abubu, Oriental Review has to publish only pro-Albanian propaganda.

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  6. My dear people, are you aware that the man who writes this text of a globalist who is paying evil is called SOROS . This is a man who works very perfidious propaganda written in the SOROS Foundation’s kitchens in Washington . https://de.scribd.com/document/351605183/Comprehensive-Academic-C-v-resume-Sotirovic-2017 . How can he be anti-globalist and hold tenure in Lithuania?

  7. My dear people,

    Damir Mehic is Croat-Bosniak troll working for nazi-fascist HDZ of Herzeg-Bosna.

  8. Hi Damir,

    Something is quite wring or at least not logic in your claim about the author: if he works for Soros as troll than his article has to be anti-Serbian and pro-Albanian!!! We know well whom support garbage Soros. Can you explain this phenomena – working for Soros in EU/NATO and anti-Serb university and country (Lithuania) but writing “pro-Serb” articles?

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  11. V. Sotirović is a paid SOROS tool!!! His only purpose is to sow discord. Nothing less nothing more.

  12. Dimitar is Tachi troll working for daily honorarium to propagate Greater Albania

  13. Jean Pierre C.

    Written by Serb Vladislav Sotirovic, lol. And he even exposed his agenda in the comments by calling people with other opinions nazists, fascist and Thaci trolls. This guy is a joke who got his historical facts in the serbian newspapers and media outlets.

  14. Jean Pierre C. is obviously an Albanian propagandist of a Greater nazifascist Albania sponsored by NATO as it was already created by Mussolini in 1941. Such trabants like JPC are using as “sources” whitewashing Balkan history by Albanian Academy of Science in Tirana.

  15. @kosovo kosovo

    I simply expect a higher level of work, not basically copypasting nonsense propaganda from Stormfront. A professor should hold himself to higher standards. And I am Kosovo Albanian, but because of maturity gained through Christ, the Logos, I am able to see through and denounce the typical idiot Balkanite turbonationalism. As you can see in this comment section, people from both sides are unable of discussing, instead they hurl accusations at each other.

  16. @Herr Abubu

    That you are Albanian is the best answer to your propaganda comment going to favor of creation of a Greater Nazi Albania by killing all Kosovo Serbs. Most probably your hand are in full covered by Kosovo Serbian blood when you have been a member of Tachi nacifascist UCK.

  17. How are you not embarrassed to write such nonsense? The Albanian language and more importantly, Albanian genetics prove that we are the descendants of indigenous Illyrians. Your lies and propaganda don’t work anymore. Your nation is better off apologiing and trying to work together to a peaceful future.

  18. To Iveza

    Albanians are the most lying nation after Croats! Albanians has nothing in common with Illyrians who are ethnic Serbs. Albanians and Croats are even genetically Nazifascist people killing Serbs in the form of genocide.

  19. Omg hahahah.Illyrians are Ethnic Serbs?So you took Illyrians from us.Ok.Kosovo is Serbia?You took Kosovo from Us,no problem.Could you please take also Enver Hoxha????.
    Dear Serbs,you are young in balkans,you came on 6-9 century Ad.
    Albanians speak a language which is rare and all of you have to understand that it comes from old illyrian language.I can give you 100 examples about this.
    Shkodra-Skodrinon(Sko+Drinon)Today we say shko instead of Sko,which means go.Drinon is river Drin.
    It is translated go-drin(ethymology a place where river flows).
    Ethnography is also another prove.
    Traditons,dances,read about the death dance in Albanian mountains.
    Listen serbs,whatever i say,you will start finding fake proves.Instead of apologising for the Kosovo massacre which i totally call a genocide,you continue by your own way.Apologise for those butcheries and look forward.
    Best regards

  20. To Joni

    Albanians are the most Nazi garbage nation in the Balkans after the Croats. Albanians came to the Balkans only in the year of 1043 from Caucasus Albania. The Serbs are autochtonous Balkan nation living there 3000 years before Nazi Albanians came to Balkans to kill Serbs, Greeks and other original people in their homes.

  21. My God Please do your research when writing about history and Illyrians you barbaric people who have put shame on yourself for centuries in history with killings of many Albanians during the 100 years and more.

  22. @Sotiroviç.
    What exactly is this Greater Albania?
    We know for example what is Greater Servia and other greater similar in Balcans, chauvinist ideologies, written down in the papers with their ideologues and with the terrible consequences for the people in this part of the world. There are speeches in respective national parliaments, there are written platforms with authors with name and surnames, etc, we have examples from Servia in this regard, Naçertania was initially provided to the servs from a Polish Prince and later was devolped by a terrorist named Ilia Garashanin.
    I am an Albanian Can you tell me please where i can read about this Greater Albania? There is an written platform somewhere? There are ideologues of this Greater Albania, who are these people, can you give some names and can you quote some of their works?
    Further reading:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Serbia
    http://www.albanianhistory.net/1937_Cubrilovic/index.html
    http://www.albanianhistory.net/1944_Cubrilovic/index.html

    P. S.
    I have an advise for you Mr. Sotiroviç and for the other servs, stop with this complex of inferiority. One of the most credible theories regarding the serv ethnogenesis is that exactly your original homeland is Caucasus

  23. Denis Berbati

    Mr. Sotirovic
    You made my day with these jokes, you really should change your profession

    Best Regards ?

  24. @ Denis Berbati

    Probably Mr. Sotirovic will never answer you as you are the absolute ZERO in this world and no one absolutely cares about your lost days of life.

  25. Denis Berbati

    @ Sanimideg

    Yes probably ! At least you are caring to answer my comment , and for Mr. Sotirovic i know that he can’t answer my comment , for that is an old expression ” The truth hurt’s ” .

  26. Dear Denis, only the idiots are answering to the idiots and their comments! The author is surely not as I am as just to inform you.

  27. Denis Berbati

    @Carnex

    Did you just answer my comment !? Believing something that isn’t true is called a “delusion”. Believing something that you *know* isn’t true is probably more closely associated with cognitive dissonance.

  28. I am modern Albanian and according to my DNA test, I am pure Illyrian. I do not know but Serbians they should stop using propaganda without proves or using propaganda which is originating from Slavic and their collaborator’s propaganda. I feel sorry for you! You should grow up! Albanians today are educated, they rapidly progressing in every field, whereas Serbian propaganda is the same.

  29. Your DNA is approved by war criminal Hashim Tachi or notorious gangster Bill Clinton?

  30. I can see how poorly you are educated! You are only pollution! i am not going to argue with you because you are worthless and uneducated. You are polluting firtsly yourself than Serbia.

    Vi treba da svatite jednom i zauvjeke Albanci nisu Albanci proslog veka kao vi Srbi. Abanci ili Orlov narod bice narod koji ce dominira Balkan, Evropu a bogami i svetom. Zbog toga opametitese i dosle vreme da se izvinite za genocida koju ste ucinili u Kosovo, Bosnu i Hrvatskoj. Zbogom zauvjek Srbine od proslog veka!

  31. To Agron

    You are obviously a troll of Nazifascist Greater Albania propagating further historical genocide on Kosovo Serbs by barbarian Muslim Albanians.

  32. @Agron

    Obviously you are not living in the last but in the 19th century in 1878 and First Albanian Imperialistic Prizren Leage to create ethnically cleansed Greater Albania.

  33. And what was exactly Imperialistic in the First League of Prizren? I hope that this time you will have an answer.

  34. To Laberia

    To occupy the lands of others and to commit ethnic cleansing of others is not only imperialism but as well racist Nazifascism. I would say on this way. Maybe the author has different opinion.

  35. @Sanimideg
    My question was addressed to this charlatan who pretend to be a scholar, Sotiroviç.
    Since you decided to answer, i have some questions for you:
    1) Are you a sock puppet of this Sotiroviç? Because with this kind of “scholar” we are dealing here.
    2)What have to do League of Prizren with Nazifascism? Because only the brain of a servian can make this kind of connections.
    3) The League of Prizren was exactly an response to the imperialistic ambitions of servian bourgeoisie. Let me remind you the ethnic cleansing of the Albanians from their native lands in what today is called south servia:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Albanians_1877–1878
    It’s a page of Wikipedia, an open platform and where is visible the hand of the servian net-warriors, but can be a good starting point for someone who is interested on how servia with the help of the Great Powers turned to be from the small Pashalluk of Belgrade created by Ottomans in a city once an Hungarian city, in what is today

  36. @Labi

    Obviously you are JUST Albanian and nothing more concerning any kind of academia. It it quite visible from the using Albanian (originally Turkish) graphem for the righting o the author’s surname’s sufix. Any serious discussion with you is simply wasting time – continue to use Wikipedia’s fake news and enjoy “the historical truth”.

  37. @Balkans
    I quoted one of your most famous bandits, member of the kamikaze comando who killed Archiduke Ferdinand and also member of that criminal organization called SANU, Academy of Science of Servia, Vaso Çubriloviç. Read him, it’s directly from the horse mouth.
    Still i don’t have an answer to my questions

  38. @Laberia

    The freedom fighters who eliminated the gangsters from European politics are celebrated by all civilized democratic world as the heroes.

    “If no Croats, the Albanians would be the biggest criminal nation in Europe”
    Old Balkan proverb

  39. Well balkan people knows how to make propaganda in everyways.SHOW ME PROOFS THAT ALEXANDER THE GREAT WAS SLAV.

  40. To john long

    Show the proof he was not.

  41. yea thats why we have pagan traditions, dna proof, and wear a plis. But you say that this is propaganda because thats your last hope. Have you ever heard of the snake cult, the Xhubleta, gjama e burrave, cyla dyjare. Ptolemay mentioned Albania in the 150 AD with its capital Albanopolis (modern day Durres). Have you ever heard of the plis, that white cap that we wear? or is that Serbian too. Also in a Church in Durres there was found a mosaik with a guy waering a plis and text saying “Ha pak ke taq” and that means “Eat a little so you have too eat later”. I dident read your article because i know its full of bullshit and you are saying that we come from caucus woth no proof of an migration. We have more in common with Illyrians that you shavs will ever have.

    whatever proof we have you say “its not true” because you buthurt serbs dont have history. You guys try to steal out heros and say that our language is a mix.

    And also what writer says in the comments that we are criminals and Thaci is a Criminal?

  42. To Lirian

    Ptolemay’s Albania has nothing to do with today Albanians as present-day Albanians arrived in 1043 AD to the Balkans. If you ask why Tachi is criminal or Albanians are barbarians you are lost.

  43. We are giving too much importance to this charlatan who pretend to be a scholar but who looks like multi account troll in some stupid forum. Let’s close this issue once for all.
    Guys, do you know what real scholars do when they want to understand Homer? They study the Albanian customs and traditions:

    A comparison of the Albanian Kanun and the Shield of Achilles in The Iliad.
    By N.G.L Hammond, 7 pages.

    “Thus, since blood-feuds are absent elsewhere, it is very strange to find one so prominently depicted on the shield of Achilles. The explanation is surely that the poet was here, as in the sensitive and horrifying description of war versus heroic combat in Iliad 18.535-40, drawing on the experience of the eighth century during which he was composing his epic.”

    “The Scene in Iliad 18.497-508 and the Albanian Blood-feud”

    by Nicholas Geoffrey Lemprière Hammond

    LINK: https://quod.lib.umich.edu/b/basp/0599796.0022.001?view=image&seq=89&size=100

    Meanwhile you servs:
    Each year the Avars came to the Serbs to spend the winter and slept with the wives and daughters of the Serbs. The Serbs tolerated other perfidies as well, and also paid tribute to the Avars. The sons, however, which the Avars had fathered with the women and daughters of Serb menfolk, would not tolerate this brutal oppression and refused to subject themselves to Avars.
    The Avars humiliated the Serbs, forcing them to draw their carts like pack horses.”
    Source:
    -From the Chronicles of Fredegarius

    ‘Visual History of the World’, by Douglas G. Brinkley

    ” But when two brothers succeeded their father in the rule of Serbia, one of them, taking one half of the folk, claimed the protection of Heraclius, the emperor of the Romans, and the same emperor Heraclius recieved him and gave him a place in the province of Thessalonica to settle in, namely Serbia, which from that time has acquired this denomination. ‘Serbs’ in the tongue of the Romans is the word for ‘slaves’, whence the colloquial ‘serbula’ for menial shoes, and ‘tzerboulianoi’ for those who wear cheap, shoddy footgear. This name the Serbs acquired from their being slaves of the emperor of the Romans.”
    Source:
    “DE ADMINISTRANDO IMPERIO” by Constantine Porphyrogenitus, paragraph 32, written between the years AD 948-952.

    Have a nice day servs.

  44. Labëria is right. Labëria is just Nazi Albanian demagogue and therefore we have to ignore such propagandists.

  45. Caucasian Albania theory was debunked ages ago, but I’m not surprised you cetniks have heard about it. Besides it is proven that albanians are indo-european and proto-balkanic by genes and language tree. And to the retard in the the comments who obviously didnt even read the one right thing in the article, slavs are as far away to illyrians you can get. Illyrians assimulated 100 years before even the slavs emigrated to Balkan in the 7th century. Unlike this imbecile author, i did not pull this out my ass, so please group up you inbred sputnik reader, stop thinking everything is some conspiracy against you and your shitstain countries and learn to have a real discussion.

  46. Hi!
    Exactly , what is the genetic proof that corroborate the ‘ Kavkaz hypothesy ? What was their ydna !? I mean , the ydna of that populace that supposedly came from Kavkaz … Any genetic proof!?
    By the way …. charching everyone being a nazi is a very uneducated attitude … bye !

  47. To Gabri

    Historical sources are telling what they are telling. BTW, to hide the Nazism is to collaborate with such garbage of people.

  48. no need for more lies and bullshits, it is very simple today, just look at similarities of albanian and illyrian words, today you are lucky to see by yourself illyrian artifacts, also look albanian words in Iliad written by Homer, the other thing you have to do is make a DNA test an watch the results then throw it in the trash box and be silent forever

    about caucasian albania, just find some words that are the same with balkanic Albania (the language is difficult to be changed forgotten), if you find any you can demonstrate them as facts instead of parroting unsupported lies, And it wasn’t called even albania back then, it was called Arberia, you have today Arberesh in southern Italy and Arbanasi in Croatia that fled during ottoman invasion, you have also Arvanites in Greece, it is actually Arbanites in latin but B is read as V in greek or Cyrillic alphabet

    if you want to connect modern balkanic Albania (Shqiperia as called from Albanians/Shqiptaret or Arberia as it was called 500 years ago) with other countries just by the name then you can use the same argument for Scottish Albania, Alboi of GB, or Albany of NY state

  49. To Dianor

    You are typical forger of historical facts. Even Albanian historian abroad are not supporting your propaganda

  50. There are no similarities between serbian language and names with the Illyrians whatsover i mean zero, but if you’re not ignorant check the similarities with the today albanian language and names and the ancient Illyrians you will get your answer!
    Serbs are illyrians? Are you some sort of stupid?! You arrive in the 6th century and you claim to be autochthonous people?! Come on lets not be silly now.
    The biggest fear for serbs,north macedonians and greeks is to link the Albanian people with ancient illyrians because that would mean proof that the albanians are autochthonous people of the balkans so they try their hardest to evaporate that idea in any way possible even by ridiculously claiming that the serbs are ancient illyrians?!
    This article is clearly aimed at stupid people!!!

    Dear readers this article is written by a serb! That should say it all!!
    I cannot believe the uneducated stupidity i just read.

  51. About Noli’s comment:

    Dear readers, this comment is written by an Albanian! That should say it all!!
    I cannot believe the uneducated stupidity i just read in a comment.

  52. Noli,
    Albanians came to the Balkans in 1043. Even the Romans call you Aravanites (ARABanites). And what does the word Alban mean in Albanian and why your ethnonym is Shqiptarët, if you are the heirs of the Albani tribe.
    Serbs are Panonian Illyrians migrated to South Bosnia.

    Illyrian words vs Albanian vs Bulgarian vs Serbian
    Tertigio(market) – trege – tŭrgo – tr̂ɡ

    Typpical “Albanian” name Vesclevesis(Весклавий)

    Serbs and Croats – Panonian Illyrians
    Bulgars – Thracians and Dardani
    Albanians – tribe with unknown origin, but not Balkan origin.

    Do not try to make a false etymology of illyrian names and words. Because the Slavic name Albania / Arbania means “slave land”

  53. Knyaz krum and mr.Sotirobitch…please can you decrypt the meaning of Illyria in you slavic language…you pure pannonian illyrians…please butthurts…if you can…and it actually matches the ethymology and the genesis illyrian culture then im concerned…come mr.sotirobitch start writing fast…Illyria,serbia,illyria in slavic…translate you pure pannonian educated illyrian…what does Illyria mean…

  54. We live in the year 2019 and Mr. Sotirovic writes such a moronic publication, without a single reason that proves his Serbian hypothesis. I will only briefly give my opinion without historical justification but with facts that connect our time with the Illyrian Mythology.

    Proof from Albanian Kulla (a typical Albanian house):
    Fortunately, a few Kulla still exist today. Serbs did not destroy in the last Kosovo war. Not that they didn’t want to destroy them, but they didn’t know how important these symbols are to devalue such hypotheses. The usual Serbian hypothesis that says: Albanians are not the descendants of Illyrians and that they also come from Caucasus. In the main entrance of the Kullat there are always two symbols, a snake and a sun (see the pictures from the link, and visit Kosovo and Albania to find these two symbols: https://www.shqiperia.com/blog/dr-sc-flamur-doli-ne-vermice-ku-shtepite-mbrohen-nga-hyjnite/). People who know something about Illyrians, know exactly what these two symbols mean.

    Proof from the Albanian language:
    Kulla is Albanian heir, from ancient times until today.
    In today’s Albanian language sun means Diell (read Djell) and son means Djal. Also in all other European languages there is a connection between son and sun, also in Serbian even. Albanians call the snake gjarpër, which stands in very close relationship with daughter (Serbian çerka). Albanians call the daughter Va(j)z (read as Wa-(i)s) (in google translation is translated as bije, which is another word for dauchter). In Polish language snake means waz or Armenian odz. In polish it sounds is very similar, in Armenian oz a little less.
    From our parents and grandparents, we learn that daughter the ora of the house is, and every house has an ora (protector, snake). For Albanians it is forbidden to kill the snake of the haus. That was for Mr. Sotirovic. My advice to you: learn Albanian first…

  55. We live in the year 2019 and Mr. Sotirovic writes such a moronic publication, without a single reason that proves his Serbian hypothesis. I will only briefly give my opinion without historical justification but with facts that connect our time with the Illyrian Mythology.

    Proof from Albanian Kulla (a typical Albanian house):
    Fortunately, a few Kulla still exist today. Serbs did not destroy in the last Kosovo war. Not that they didn’t want to destroy them, but they didn’t know how important these symbols are to devalue such hypotheses. The usual Serbian hypothesis that says: Albanians are not the descendants of Illyrians and that they also come from Caucasus. In the main entrance of the Kullat there are always two symbols, a snake and a sun (see the pictures from the link, and visit Kosovo and Albania to find these two symbols: https://www.shqiperia.com/blog/dr-sc-flamur-doli-ne-vermice-ku-shtepite-mbrohen-nga-hyjnite/). People who know something about Illyrians, know exactly what these two symbols mean.

    Proof from the Albanian language:
    Kulla is Albanian heir, from ancient times until today.
    In today’s Albanian language sun means Diell (read Djell) and son means Djal. Also in all other European languages there is a connection between son and sun, also in Serbian even. Albanians call the snake gjarpër, which stands in very close relationship with daughter (Serbian çerka). Albanians call the daughter Va(j)z (read as Wa-(i)s) (in google translation is translated as bije, which is another word for daughter). In Polish language snake means waz or Armenian odz. In polish it sounds is very similar, in Armenian oz a little less.
    From our parents and grandparents, we learn that daughter the ora of the house is, and every house has an ora (protector, snake). For Albanians it is forbidden to kill the snake of the haus. That was for Mr. Sotirovic. My advice to you: learn Albanian first…

  56. Shpend is a typical forger of Balkan history who promulgate 19thc. quasi-academic romanticist Albanian hypotesis and falsify history

  57. I say nothing hypothetical, go and see the Albanian Kulla-s and learn Albanian. Fortunately, both exists, Kulla and the Albanian language. I am confident that only those who understand Albanian and have studied history are able to write something reliable about the origin of Albanians, but not this last Serbian-educated clown, Dr. Sotiro-vic.

  58. The biggest regret is that the sarmatian serboi was allowed to come into Europe.and you link yourselves with illyrians and claim to be natives?How can you be natives when you are not from here and your arrival is documented in the 7th century?!!!I don’t understand your kind, either you are delusional or just mentally retarded.this article is a joke written by a self proclaimed “historian”.

  59. To Arben:

    The most biggest regret is that Albanians are existing at all. However, it is documented in 1043 that Albanians via Sicily came to the Balkans from the Caucasus and there are a lot of sources cleary telling that the Illyrians were Serbs.

  60. One can tell a lot just by reading the comments. In one side you have the Albanians who even cite sources when they comment, on the other you have servs (servants) who only troll (one sentence comment) by calling these writers names and bring nothing, while they go as far as to come/register here with Spanish names to make it look like you even have spanish people thinking like servs. It’s so obvious the author is another but-hurt servian giving another try to their old false propaganda.

  61. Albanians are “citing” falsified “sources” as USA authorities are “proving” their impoerialistic policy. Njani is the biggest Albanian troll here

  62. To carnex.where are these so called documents then?I will be more than happy to read them if you could give me a link or provide a source.i will give you links and historian references that document your arrival from modern day iran.the so called serboi or serbi from Asiatic sarmatian along with the huns you should of never been allowed here.

  63. To carnex.so you say that albanians come from caucaus then go to Sicily then come to the balkans??we zig zag across the continent.the we find the serboi who are the descendent’s of the Illyrians and then we evil Albanians come from Sicily take their land and their language and the traditions leaving poor serboi with nothing.again this is expected coming from a nation with identity issues who claim to come from two different places at the same time.your bigger of joke than the guy who wrote the article. Lol American propaganda.

  64. Funny how this Sotirovic writes about racism in Albanian culture while he simultaneously makes racist comments against Albanians. The fact is Serbs are just as racist if not more, and so are all of the surrounding nations in the balkans.
    This “research” is filled with political motivations and an obvious smear against Albanians so the Serbian crimes against them are justified.
    This Caucasus theory was disproved over 100 years ago when the Albanian language was understood to have no connections to that region but does have similarities to latin, Greek, Italian, Turkish, and slavic. Any credible linguist that has knowledge on the topic will tell you Albanian is not a language from the caucasus.
    This theory isn’t supported by any real evidence but because Albanians didn’t become literate until very late in their history (Illyrians were also illiterate), it makes it much harder for them to argue against it.
    Fortunately, there are still many Albanian/Illyrian connections despite nothing ever being written down. The unique language and names make a strong case, but so do other consistent historical records like the plius or plis, the white skull cap, that was worn by Illyrians and is still worn by Albanians today.
    All of this nonsense about Albanians being Africans, Turks, Armenians, gypsies, or whatever is about Kosovo. A place that used to be called Dardania. In 1854, linguists proposed that Dardania was derived from a proto-Albanian word meaning pear-tree. The earliest mention of Dardanians (Illyrian tribe) was when their king Bardyllis succeeded in bringing together various tribes into a single organization. In Albanian bardh-yll means white-star. Many Albanians today have the name.

  65. Testing comment. Kosovo is Albania.

  66. Testing comment. Kosovo and North Albania are Serbia

  67. First of all, the world knows that Albanians are autochthonous and Serbs came here on the 7th century, I have one question for you, how do you explain the fact that all Illyrian names translate only to Albanian, even the name Serb translates only to Albanian.

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  70. Why are you people so afraid to accept that Illyrians are the ancestors of the Albanians. What is wrong with you people?

  71. @Shqiptari

    Obviously the reason is that the theory is fake and extremely politicized.

  72. Only Albanians believe in the Illyrian theory of Albanian ethnogenesis. But this is just believe based on the politics and nothing to do with the science

  73. Albanians are the True Illyrians, if you wants i send to you here Illyrian words that have Albanian explained

  74. Illyrian language is not recorded as they nothing left in their language! About them there are sources in Greek and Latin but not in Illyrian.

  75. To write what he did about Macedonians, “Sotir” has to be a Vlach.

  76. What about E-V13, J2B2-L283 and R1b-Z2103 haplogroups that were found in Balkan territory dating from 5000BC to 1500BC in which halpogroups Albanians are majority.

  77. Pingback: The Illyrians: Autochthonous Balkan People having Nothing Common with Modern Albanians – Emma Olive

  78. @Kosovoo Kosovoo, you are a full of shit…nad others as well whom thinks same as you. go piss u self and drawn in danub.

  79. @Illyrian

    Pro-Albanian political propaganda

    @Shpejtim

    More cultural education will not harm your walking on the earth

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  81. It is true that every story about the Balkan Peninsula begins with the ancient Illyrians. Historians believe that these Indo-European people were one of the largest European populations to inhabit the western portion of the Balkans from the coasts of the Ionian Sea and the Adriatic Sea to the Alps about 1000 B.C.

  82. It is true that every story about the Balkan Peninsula begins with the ancient Illyrians. Historians believe that these Indo-European people were one of the largest European populations to inhabit the western portion of the Balkans from the coasts of the Ionian Sea and the Adriatic Sea to the Alps about 1000 B.C.
    https://slitherio.online

  83. Illyr Dypakaveli

    God blessed St. Batholomew !
    The difference between descedants choosen by him is that we do not have St. Peter. And we got proves of that continue since 150.

  84. Albanians are the last people arrived in the Balkans – only in 1043 from East Sicily (originally from Caucasus).

  85. @Sotirovic
    You need to reed and research more regarding the archeological history of the Illyrian penisola than you will realise what connection Albanians have with illyrians.
    Nevertheless because you are slavic descent writing articles about Illiryans history shows lots of fake nonsense info and update.
    Is Serbian genocide maybe a fresh reminder of how Serbians want badly to change the course of history about Balkans.

  86. @Florian

    The historical Albanian genocide on Serbs is probably a fresh reminder of how Albanians want to falsify Balkan history

  87. Dear “professor doctor historian Vladislav”
    ~First theory, turk origin of albanians?? In early medieval times albanians called themselves Arban(Alban) and their land Arbanon(Albanon). The first undisputed mention of Albanians in the historical record is attested in Byzantine source for the first time in 1079–1080, in a work titled History by Byzantine historian Michael Attaliates, who referred to the Albanoi as having taken part in a revolt against Constantinople in 1043 and to the Arbanitai as subjects of the Duke of Dyrrachium (modern Durrës). The reference to “Arbanitai” from Attaliates regarding the participation of Albanians in a rebellion around 1078 is undisputed. In later Byzantine usage, the terms “Arbanitai” and “Albanoi” with a range of variants were used interchangeably, while sometimes the same groups were also called by the classicising name Illyrians. The first written mention of the Albanian language occurred on 14 July 1284 in present-day Dubrovnik, Croatia when a crime witness named Matthew testified: “I heard a voice shouting on the mountainside in the Albanian language” (Latin: Audivi unam vocem, clamantem in monte in lingua albanesca).The ethnonym Albanian has been hypothesized to be connected to and stem from the Albanoi, an Illyrian tribe mentioned by Ptolemy with their centre at the city of Albanopolis. Linguists believe that the alb part in the root word originates from an Indo-European term for a type of mountainous topography, from which other words such as alps are derived. Through the root word alban and its rhotacized equivalents arban, albar, and arbar, the term in Albanian became rendered as Arbëneshë/Arbëreshë for the people and Arbënia/Arbëria for the country. The Albanian language was referred to as Arbnisht and Arbërisht. While the exonym Albania for the general region inhabited by the Albanians does have connotations to Classical Antiquity, the Albanian language employs a different ethnonym, with modern Albanians referring to themselves as Shqip(ë)tarë and to their country as Shqipëria. Two etymologies have been proposed for this ethnonym: one, derived from the etymology from the Albanian word for eagle (shqipe, var., shqiponjë). In Albanian folk etymology, this word denotes a bird totem, dating from the times of Skanderbeg as displayed on the Albanian flag the eagle and the Pyrrhus of Epirus called “Eagle” by his soldiers. We know that Skanderbeg called himself Prince of Epirus and descent of Pyrrhus. In early medieval before turks came albanians rule from north, today Montenegro(Balsha family, Balsic) to south Acarnania(Shpata family , english Spata) and all over today Albania(Dukagjini, Kastrioti, Topia, Muzaka, Arianiti families ) and Gropa family all over Ohrid Lake and surrounding area (Today North Macedonia). So albanians were here before turks came and all were catholic and orthodox. So turk or arabic theories bring down. Another fact is my personal history, my sister’s mother in law surnames is Marku (catholic surname, Marc english) and she is muslim, my brother in law surname is Pali(catholics surname, Paul english) and he is catholic, my surname is Guri(Stone english) and i am muslim. Another is a documented albanian in early 18th 19th century converting to islam, his surname from Petro became Suleyman. This means all muslim albanians or 95-97%(because i dont expect some muslims come from turkey,, we live in Balkan and we know Balkan is all mess) were christian before becoming muslims. And with that i end turk theory.
    ~Second is Caucasian Albania theory, this theory is created from “pseudo historians” or so called facebook and social media “historians”. All serious historians rejected this but for some i want to clear. Albanian people have not a single connection with Caucas Albania, from the language(not a single word is similar) to traditions, costumes. Never is documented or registered a migration from Caucas to Todays Albania. Albania name in Caucas Albania come from Roman Empire when its created and historians support the theory , come from Alb, roman word referred to alps(mountains regions), and we know caucas is mountainous region. So with all these facts its funny to debate about this, and these which support this are all social media historians and nationalist. So if albanians aren’t from Caucas and Turkey where are they from?? Lets leave pseudo theories and talk serious theories. All all historians support Illyrian(80% of them) and Thracian-Dacian(20%) theories, the 2 theories linked in slavic migration, when slavs came illyrians(which lived in today’s Croatia, Bosnia, West Serbia, Montenegro and Albania) move south from slavic pressure and relocate to mountains(we know north Albania is mountainous region) and thraco-dacian(todays Bulgaria-Romania) theory links with slavic too, when slavs came albanians migrate to west and this migration is registered not like pseudo-caucasian theory. But which is most secure??? We need to talk with facts and to let nationalism, lets be serious and if we albanians are illyrians will this include in our life, or improve our lives??, No. An example: i live in Milano, Italia,,, if i said my employer I AM ILLYRIAN will he raise my salary??, NO. But when we are discussing about history lets be serious. I support illyrian theory. Why?? ~Because we have same culture(now in Albania we fest many pagan festivals and traditions like (in 14 March The Summer day, and the pilgrimage in Tomorr mountain from illyricum times, illyrians makes this) and many pagan stories from our grandparents, i remember all my grandma stories which hadn’t any religious link, she tells me about the Tomorr mountain(the god is there) and many like spiritual things, and when i ask her why you say these?? she tells me, thats what’s ancients said. I given you a personal history, another is that albanian language is Indo-European language separated from all other languages and with Greek and Armenian are 3 most ancient languages which come in today’s.The Albanian language is a standalone Indo-European language without any relation to Greek or Latin but have some loan’s from ancient Greek and Roman, this means albanians live nearby with romans and ancient greeks. Today have same words like some illyrian, like buche(illyrian) – bukë(albanian)[because in alb ch is k] = bread ///grue or groua in other illyrian plates(illyrian) – grua(albanian) =women /// ie(illyrian) – je (albanian) = you are /// ar(illyrian) – ar or arë(albania) = gold /// mori(illyrian) – mori(albanian) = taken /// oui(illyrian) – ui or uj(albanian) =water
    ~Do you want another, ok, the names, albanians have original illyrian names and surnames like, Bardhi(famed name and surname in Albania) means White, and comes from the illyrian king Bardhyl or Bardylis(latin). Ardian(king), Teuta(queen), Dardan, Ardian, Alban, Enkelejd, all are illyrian tribes. Let’s see the toponyms. The ***King ‘’Bardylis’’. Bardylis (Illyrian) – Bardh yll (White star) (Modern albanian) ..
    ***Illyria – Iliria (Freedom) (Modern Albanian).
    ***Dardania (Illyrian) – Dard[h]a (Pear) (Modern Albanian)
    **Dalmatia (Illyrian) – Delmë (Sheep) (Modern Albanian)
    ~Names of cities, regions and people that have gone on for millenia to those days. My favorite example is Shkodra. Shkodra is written as ‘Scodra’ in the ancient documents of the Illyrian cities. The only reason that it is not pronounced the same way is because the sources are Latin, and Latin language does not have the sound ‘sh’ as in ‘fashion’. Therefore, Albanians-Illyrians have called Shkodra Shkodra for more than two thousand years. Same stands for Ulcinj(Montenegro with more than 90% albanians). Albanians call it Ulqin. In ancient documents, it was called Ulcinium . -um is a Latin suffix that was used in many cities. The ‘c’ was used to substitute the ‘q’ sound (as in ‘shqip’), which cannot be pronounced neither in English, nor in Latin. Therefore, it is safe to say that the locals actually called it Ulqin for at least those last two millenials. Others are Dyrrachium-Dyrrah-Durres, Lissus-Lis, Lezhe, Emathia-Mat, Ulpiana-Lipian, Scupi-Shkupi, Avlona-Vlona-Vlora. We know its difficult to keep the same city names if an other population repopulate. Many todays cities where illyrians lived have explained in albanian, Dyrrachium-Dyrrah, (unknown origin), In Gheg Albanian, ‘Dy-rrah-ë’ = Two-hills. Referencing the two hills of Durres, which even the Romans spoke of. -Brindisi, (City-port in Apulia, Italy). The root ‘Bri’ in Albanian means ‘Horns’ -> also defining other terminology form it, such as ‘Bifurcation’ & ‘Hillside/Mountainside’. Still in use. Check City-Port of Brindisi on the map…
    -Calabria, (unknown origin), but very easily explainable through Albanian. Cala = Castle and Bri = Hillside/Mountainside. The term Calabria originally included the are of Apulia (inc. Brindisi), and later the term shifted into today’s Calabria.
    ~Let’s have a look at the genetic markers in the country: I2 – 14–16%, R1a – 9%, R1b – 16%, J2 – 20-22%, E1b1b – 27.5%. These are all part of the main European haplogroups. The I2 and E1b1b are very old markers, being in Europe, mostly in the South, since Paleolitic and make 43% of the total. The Indo-European markers: R1b (Western), R1a (Eastern) and J2 (Southern) make 45% of the total. Considering the proportion being similar to the neighbouring people, Albanians are, more likely Illyrians in a 90% proportion.Albanians are more Illyrians and South Europeans, in fact closer to Greeks than anyone else. Can’t beat evidence, facts are facts.
    -Demeter: Goddess of the grain, agriculture, harvest, growth, nourishment, (unknown origin). This term is still in use in northern Albania. As in Damoter (Da-moter), it refers to an older female -as A SISTER to all, sometimes they are aunties(called Dadë/Da) or important female figures in a family or a fis viewed as a non biological mother figure, who is elder (and skill-full in many aspects just as the definitions of the ‘Godess’ above say. They are also the key figures in events, celebrations…
    ~Clothing, Albanians still preserve today the ‘traditional’ wear of Illyrian origin: the XHUBLETA, FUSTANELLA, PLIS, OPINGA, Dalmatika, Llapana and other. Backed up by artefacts, gravestones, symbolism & identification.
    Music, Myths, Ritual dances; Iso-Polyphony, Folk instruments and flutes, Cyla Dyjare, Folk tales: Death of great Pan. Common lineage of Pagan related idols: same names(terms) and interpretation of local idols not shared similarly with neighbours. There is a big fact wrote in Greek Encyclopedy of year 1932 v.19 page 873 talking about Albanians & Pelasgians. ( Albanians are the Illyrians and Illyrians are the oldest Pelasgians, that lived in the most part of Balkan Peninsula. There are many words in Greek mitology that have a meaning only in Albanian language. Google it and check results. So how is that possible? Example is goodness of love –
    -Aphrodite-Aferdita in albanian means close(near) to day. It’s about the star of Near Day. The bright star approaching the dawn.
    -Athena-E’thinia in albania means “white hair” or thin and justifies a goddess, an old prophetess. Pelasgians have conceived of their goddess as a wise woman, with gray hair or “a mark on her forehead.”
    -Hera-Era in albanian means wind
    -Rea-Vrenon or Re, vrenon means used from all albanians when time is with clowds, overcast, and Re is clowd
    -Glauk(son of Poseidon)-Giaku-Gjaku means blood in albanian, like it be son of blood.
    I gave some forms of Sanskrit, given the opinion of the eminent German linguist Franc Bopp (1791-1867) who, having studied the Albanian language thoroughly, sees the closest proximity of the Albanian language to the Sanskrit language.
    ***The famous French geographer, Reklysi, wrote as early as 1876: “Both the Gegs and the Tosks are descended from the ancient Pelasgians(Pre-Illyrians) and their social status, such as customs, customs, way of thinking and acting, do not exist. much changed from that of the Pelasgians three thousand years ago. Before barbaric immigration, Albanians inhabited the entire western part of the Balkan Peninsula, as far as the Danube.
    ***A. Dimon wrote: “In Europe there is no race older than Albanians.”
    ***Hobhaus said: “In Albania can be distinguished visible remnants of an ancient language that no longer exists.”
    ***Kretschmer: “After the Hellenes, two Indo-European tribes also flocked from the North: the Thracians to the East, the Illyrians to the West, who filled the vast expanse of the Balkan Peninsula. Immigration took place in the second millennium BC and was carried out in waves, as was the case with Hellenic emigration.
    ***Malte-Bryn (1755-1822), a well-known Danish geographer, claims that “Albanian is older than Greek, it is related to pre-Homeric Greek”.
    ***Herodotus’ testimony that “the Etruscans spoke the language of a people living in the Mediterranean provinces before the arrival of the Greeks” Watch YouTube video Etruscan=Albanian made by Italian historians and evidence that etruscan words translate only in albanian or north albanian(gheg which is original albanian)
    ***Maurico Druon, secretary of the French Academy: “Albanians belong to peoples older than history itself. and the grandparents of the Albanians took part in the Trojan War, led by Achilles (on the one hand) and Hector (on the other).
    ***Nikolla Jorga: “The Albanian people, together with the Basques, are the oldest in Europe.” – ***Maximilian Lambertz: “The true history of mankind will be written only when it is written with the participation of Albanians.”
    ***M. Huacunthe Hecquard: “Nowhere in the world are women more respected and more active than Albanians, and some Albanian mothers have driven their sons out of the house after they left the war front. They had returned them to the battlefield ( In illyrian times, womans can release a slave if their want, roman woman can’t, Queen Teuta led Illyrian Kingdom of Ardiaei against Romans, this was crazy in these times, a woman which rule a kingdom even in war times,, albanians have many Joan D’Arc womans which fights like Nora of Kelmendi (turks), Laskarina Bubullima(turks), Shote Galica(serbs).
    ***”Albanian is the mother of Latin and Greek” National Geographic Society, Volume 59,1931 USA
    ***Lord Byron: “Albanians with their costumes make a more wonderful landscape in the world… Albanians are the most beautiful human race that exists, stronger heroes than their castles.”
    ***Agostino Ribeco: “The millennial rights of Albanians, ethnographic and geographical, extend from ancient times in Illyria, Macedonia and Thessaly.”
    ***Braislav Nusic: “Albanians are autochthonous, who during all the invasions of peoples, preserved their type and character in a pronounced way. “They withstood the attacks of the Romans, the dense attacks of the Slavs, who conquered all their fields, lowlands, and rivers.”
    ***Dusko H. Konstantinov: “Albanians are the oldest inhabitants of the Balkan Peninsula and direct descendants of the ancient Illyrians, who had built the most powerful state in the Balkans.”
    ***Edvin Jasques: “The Illyrians or Albanians, these uneducated daughters, were Albanian warriors, worthy heirs of Achilles, Philip, Alexander the Great and Pyrrhus of Epirus.”
    ***Edvin Pears: “Albanians are descendants of the oldest race of the Balkan Peninsula, respectively of the Arian race, deriving this word from the two roots of the Albanian words: Ar and An[ë] , which means Pure gold people”
    ***Fanula Papazoglu: “Dardania(today’s Kosovo, 95% albanian) is one of the ancient provinces of the Balkans where the autochthonous population is best preserved.”
    ***Gos Xhen: “The origin of the Albanians goes back to the time of the Pelasgians and they have pre-Hellenic origins”.
    ***Gustav Meyer: “Albanians are new illyrians”
    ***Johan George von Hahn”: Albanians are descendants of Illyrians, while Illyrians are descendants of Pelasgians… Albanians are descendants of Pelasgians”
    ***Hakki Pasha(turkish statistician) : “If the history of the Albanians is coming to the grounde the Ottoman Empire is being taken over by the river. ”
    ***Harold Whitehal: “Egyptian hieroglyphs, created 4,000 years ago, have Albanian meanings.”,,, “Thoth speaked albanian” book by Mr.Giuseppe Catapano, thoth-thot means say in albanian
    ***Henry Braisford: “In Macedonia, only Albanians are an indigenous people”
    ***Jovan Cvijic: “Southern Slavs, after coming to the Balkans, found Albanians there, who under their pressure (Slavs) withdrew to the south and to the more mountainous places, where we still meet today.”
    ***Konstandin Paparigopoulos: “Only Albanians are considered descendants of the Illyrian race.”
    ***CALLAN (1899): Callani calls Albanians an old, noble, loyal, virtuous and hospitable race. Albanians catch things fast, like the Greeks, but they are more stable and like the Slavs, they take care to go deeper, without being as annoying as they are. They do not break the law.
    ***BOUÉ (1840): Albanians are alive, smiling, agile, catching things quickly; proud and brave; work as they see fit. The savagery and lack of mercy are the result of the district in which they live. He lacks a sense of revenge and the Albanian takes revenge for being a social duty. Gegs, since they do not know how to overcome their mistakes, have something naive in their character. In particular, their leaders are politically shaky and take “bribes”; the Tosks have this even more. This is historically in albanians all our political leader even today are corrupted
    ***Michael Attaleiates. Byzantine chronicler. In 1034, he wrote: “The Arbanites are one of the strangest peoples. They have not been persuaded by Rome or Catholicism, I do not know how successful we will be. “They are still held back by their pagan origins and do not leave the country.”
    ***Senechales the Great Prominent general from Normandy, c. XVI: “The Slavs are ruthless in war, they kill anyone they reach and they do not capture any prisoners of war, so we do the same to them. As for the Albanians, they behave completely differently and behave humanely towards the captured prisoners … in the army of King Luigj XII, a rank of 1200 Albanians was formed, who showed such great bravery that they became a symbol of the French armies. for nearly a whole century. So, the other kings of France, as commander of the army, always appointed an Albanian, as it was, for example, General Duke of Brisac, etc.
    ***Stadtmuller: “The Greek war for freedom could not be imagined without the Albanian element.” (Especially without Ali Pasha Tepelena, who incited the Uprising of 1821, and without whom, even if that uprising began, “it would be extinguished in the cradle” – it is said in the historical literature).
    ***M. Ritton: “Arvanitas(albanians in Greece, moved there aftee turks invade Albania) women are cleaner than Greek women.”
    ***Madame Segna. Greek, mother of a French poet: The famous dance “hasapikos”, danced by the Arvanites and specifically by the butchers, “was a re-emergence of scenes of old warriors since the time of Alexander the Great.”
    ***Tit Livy: “The Romans were civilized by the Etruscans.” (Tosks – R.N.),,, south albania was and is called Tosca-Toska and some historians say that Toscana in derived from this
    ***Nostradamus: cantren 72 in centurion 10: ”(1999, the seventh month from sky will come the great king of terror who will resurrect the great Angulmues king. Before and after Mars he will lead fate.This is one of the few prophecies in Nostradamus that is dated exactly. We are dealing with the 7th month, that is, with July 1999. Strangely, in this month, the NATO air attack in Kosovo took place against the occupation of Serbia. Many university professors such as Brenenbah, of the University of Stillenbosk in America, etc., writes that this prophecy of Nostradamus was fulfilled with astonishing accuracy. The name Angulmues. Was interpreted as an Anglo-American correction or anagram name.
    -In the Centurion IV exactly in verse 98 of the State: (Albanians in Rome with shouts will arrive. Capturing Langres in the throat, the leader will not do Thanks to anyone blood, hunger, drought and permissions). Does this refer to the migration of albanians after the arrival of the turks, they go in Venice, Sicily, Sardegna and some historians say Bonaparte have albanian descent and a strong prove is that he have a great garnison of albanians and keep a respect among other garnisons. This is HYPOTHESE, so dont start to discuss about this.
    ***Vuk Karadzic: “We Serbs should take the example of Albanians who belong to – three religions consider each other compatriots and a Muslim Albanian kills 10 Turks for a Christian Albanian, while a Catholic Albanian kills 10 Italians for a Muslim or Orthodox Albanian and also the orthodox Albanian kills 10 Greeks for a Muslim or Catholic Albanian ”. Otherwise, Karadzic has shown interest in Albanians, as was the Albanian edition of the “New Testament”, published in Corfu in 1827. However, the object of Vuk Karadzic’s interest is the history of Albanians, especially the period of Gjergj Kastriot-Skanderbeg and his personality. his. He prepared the book “Life of Gjergj Kastriot” for himself, for the Russian consul in Dubrovnik, as well as for other personalities of the literary, historical and cultural life of Serbia. He also collected 13 Albanian folk songs which in 1830 he sent to Jernej Kopitari. These songs were published in “Zbornik filoloshkih i lingvistçkih studija” in 1921, entitled “Arnautske partme” (“Albanian songs”) “. Otherwise, according to dr. Jashar Rexhepagic, Vuk knew a little Albanian.
    ***Edward Daniel Clarke:” Those descendants of Ancient Macedonian are Arnaud or Albanians”
    ***Conrad Malte-Brun: “The soldiers of Alexander, Pyrrhus and Skanderbeg were same people”
    All these are based in facts and if you doubt you can search and see. I bring here all european and foreign studies, historians, geographers. I did not want to bring the albanian historian because i know you will not believe them. This is all foreign wrote about albanians, why so passion for a small country with 1 million in 1912{indipendence}, why they wrote these about albanians, were they albanians?? NO, They were corrupted to wrote this?? I dont believe albanians have money to bribes when they were non independent and in mess. And then why??¿¿ Maybe they have been honest and have shown the truth that the world probably doesn’t want or doesn’t know??¿¿

  88. @Boiken

    Your literature is extremely propaganda works and has nothing in common with historical science. Pure pro-Albanian propaganda or simply fake news

  89. Arhikles Salvador

    It is quite incredible how many there are Albanian bots who stubbornly want to convince others into their obvious political propaganda and to present Albanian killers as the victims in Kosovo. It is clear that according to the first Ottoman census from 1455, there were only 2% of ethnic Albanians in Kosovo (Djakova/Djakovica region). Today, there are 95% of Albanians in Kosovo. Who cleansed whom?

  90. @Carnex
    Thank you for not reading everything I wrote. It is normal that the truth is propaganda, when the light is missing a candle cannot illuminate the truth. But history cannot be written otherwise than with truth, history and truth are one. I don’t care what you think, everything I have written I have by name and surname, every historian and academic and even Harvard University has told them what I have written. But who cares, you want to keep making history the way you want it not how it really is. I have nothing to say to you, go on in the “darkness of ignorance” .

  91. @Arhikles Salvador
    Hahahahhahhahahaha you continue to lie you who still live with the tales of the 12th century, with the criminal Dushan. You still think that the state is a religion and the state religion is the same as Greece, which for Orthodox Albanians in the south calls them Greeks, while they say WTF, when we became Greeks. You are very ironic and live with lies. As for Kosovo, it was Illyrian (DARDANIA) and it is Albanian, America and Israel are with us Albanians. And according to that status, you all were assimilated Albanians because the names and surnames were Albanian. Berisha is not a Serb, then how is it possible that in the Turkish records of 1400 it is shown that in many areas it was widespread and the names were Slavic while the surnames were Albanian ??? I want to close with the expression of the Albanian priest Father Gjergj Fishta “When the Slavs came from the caves of the Urals we Albanians had completed the 2 thousand year cycle of civilization”

  92. This article is true and very deep when it comes to information stuffed in it. thank you so much for the up dates keep on doing the good work of informing the masses. it is awesome to get into articles with researchers like you ..

  93. @Boiken

    What is your remuneration for one post as payed bot by terrorist UCK?

  94. Please let go of the Caucasus Albania theory already. It has been disproven several times.

    Ever heard of how Georgia(Caucasus country) once used to be called Iberia? You know which other country used to have the same exact name? Spain. Are they the same? No.
    Back then, it wasn’t exactly an uncommon practice to give two completely different places the same name. Balkan Albanians have nothing in common with Caucasian Albanians. Not linguistic, not genetic and not cultural. Caucasian Albania ceased to exist centuries ago because of wars and assimilation, not sudden migration. I’m telling you this as a native Caucasian that knows the history of the Caucasus and its peoples.

    That aside, I’ve read quite a bit, doing my own little research, but I’m still not fully convinced of the Illyrian-Albanian theory. I will need more evidence. Mere words and names aren’t enough, especially since it’s very easy to take over the language of another group and/or replace words in you language with those of another one. This has happened a lot throughout history.

    My own theory is that the ancestors of modern Albanians used to live alongside with the Illyrians, and so might have adopted some of their things over time. They might have been a small, perhaps insignificant, clan/tribe in ancient times. Is it true that Albanians are a mountain people? I remember reading that once. They could’ve been a tribe that lived in the mountains and didn’t interact much with the outside world. It could explain why neighbouring nations(Greeks, Romans) didn’t really mention them much or at all.

    I’m open to discussion!

  95. Arhikles Salvador

    @anon19

    Illyrian theory of Albanian origin is already 50 years ago proven to be political fake news and pro-Albanian propaganda. Caucasus theory is much more based on historical sources and proven facts,

  96. @Arhikles Salvador

    Do you have any credible sources for the Caucasus theory? ‘Cuz while some of the points for that do make sense, most don’t. Like I’ve mentioned before, the Caucasus theory has actually been disproven by many people. Their languages belong to completely different language families, different cultures, and different genetics and phenotypes.

    It definitely is possible that the Ottoman Empire brought some of them from the Caucasus and settled them in the Balkans, so some modern Albanians might be descendants from those people. But I believe that most Albanians are autochthonous to their lands.

  97. @anon19

    Caucasus theory is supported by at least 9 historical sources while Illyrian quasi-theory by no single one. Those who reject Caucasus theory are not academics, they are just propagators

  98. “Serbs are Illyrians Albanians from Caucasus blablablabla

    The theory that Albanians were related to the Illyrians was proposed for the first time by the Swedish historian Johann Erich Thunmann in 1774.The scholars who advocate an Illyrian origin are numerous. There are two variants of the theory: one is that the Albanians are the descendants of indigenous Illyrian tribes dwelling in what is now Albania.The other is that the Albanians are the descendants of Illyrian tribes located north of the Jireček Line and probably north or northeast of Albania.

    Arguments for Illyrian origin
    The arguments for the Illyrian-Albanian connection have been as follows

    The national name Albania is derived from Albanoi an Illyrian tribe mentioned by Ptolemy about 150 AD.
    From what is known from the old Balkan populations territories (Greeks, Illyrians, Thracians, Dacians), the Albanian language is spoken in a region where Illyrian was spoken in ancient times.
    There is no evidence of any major migration into Albanian territory since the records of Illyrian occupation. Because descent from Illyrians makes “geographical sense” and there is no linguistic or historical evidence proving a replacement, then the burden of proof lies on the side of those who would deny a connection of Albanian with Illyrian.
    The Albanian tribal society has preserved the ancient Illyrian social structure based on tribal units.
    Many of what remain as attested words to Illyrian have an Albanian explanation and also a number of Illyrian lexical items (toponyms, hydronyms, oronyms, anthroponyms, etc.) have been linked to Albanian.
    Words borrowed from Greek (e.g. Gk (NW) mākhaná “device, instrument” > mokër “millstone”, Gk (NW) drápanon > drapër “sickle” etc.) date back before the Christian Era and are mostly of the Doric Greek dialect, which means that the ancestors of the Albanians were in contact with the northwestern part of Ancient Greek civilization and probably borrowed words from Greek cities (Dyrrachium, Apollonia, etc.) in the Illyrian territory, colonies which belonged to the Doric division of Greek, or from contacts in the Epirus area.
    Words borrowed from Latin (e.g. Latin aurum > ar “gold”, gaudium > gaz “joy” etc date back before the Christian era, while the Illyrians on the territory of modern Albania were the first from the old Balkan populations to be conquered by Romans in 229–167 BC, the Thracians were conquered in 45 AD and the Dacians in 106 AD.
    The ancient Illyrian place-names of the region have achieved their current form following Albanian phonetic rules e.g. Durrachion > Durrës (with the Albanian initial accent), Aulona > Vlorë (with rhotacism), Scodra > Shkodër, etc
    The characteristics of the Albanian dialects Tosk and Gegh in the treatment of the native and loanwords from other languages, have led to the conclusion that the dialectal split occurred after Christianisation of the region (4th century AD) and at the time of the Slavic migration to the Balkans or thereafter between the 6th to 7th century AD with the historic boundary between the Geg and Tosk dialects being the Shkumbin river which straddled the Jireček line

  99. The theory was just propose but never proven. It was proposed for pure geopolitical reasons of benefits for A-U Monarchy. Albania has noting common with Albanoi who were Illyrian-Serbian tribe. BTW, in Latin language Belgrade is Alba (white). Maybe, it is old Albanian city just because it is Alba?

  100. The Albanian Orthodox

    How is possible that the Albanians who comment in this post have Ancient Names of Illyrian Kings, and The Serbs have Russian Names and Russian Language? or Russia is Illyrian as well? Never Heard a Serb called Bardhyl,Agron,Teuta,Glauk,Dardan,or even most important, Albanoi, like the Ancient Illyrian tribe.

    As far in all the books history of World The Slaves moviment to the South ( Jug) hapened in 8th century , then you can still Dream of Illyrian Dream.

  101. Most of Albanians has Muslim names and surnames like Enver Hohxa, Ibrahim Rugova, etc. Those Albanians with Cristian names of Orthodox faith are in fact ethnic Greeks. Serbs do not have Russian but Slavic names. UK PM Boris Johnson has Slavic name common in Bulgaria, Serbia, Russia, etc. Some Serbs has Illyrian names as Darko (Darius). Darius is common first name in Lithuania as well. Those Albanians with Illyrian names are having them for very political reasons. Slavs as Illyrians lived all the time in the Balkans. At the beginning of the 7th c. it was just returning-back migration of one small part of Slavic-Illyrians to the Balkans but not the first migration-settlement. This is German anti-Serb propaganda from Austria who created false Illyrian theory of Albanian ethnogenesis.

  102. To begin with Vladislav, the fact that you did not respond to my comment above shows how good you are at responding when someone writes the truth.
    It seems to me that you are joking that there is no way a professor can tell so many lies and illogical things. You divide the Albanians by name, Ibrahim and Enver call them Turks while Andrea and Sotir call them Greeks. It seems to me that he lives in the 19th century where Albanians were divided into Catholics-Latin, Muslims-Turkish, Orthodoxs-Greek ,,, it is a great shame for a professor to make such divisions that are ridiculous.

    And as for Boris Johnson, he is of Albanian descent, his grandfather is from Kosovo (DARDANIA), search and you can find him everywhere, also in Wikipedia. When you call the Illyrian Serbs this is the funniest thing in the history of mankind, the Serbs have Illyrian% after you assimilated the local Illyrian-Albanian population. But you can never become an Illyrian if you do not inherit the Illyrian language, culture, traditions and clothing. Albanians have inherited all this. And the name Darius is Persian and not Slavic, your madness has no end.
    -If Albanians are not Illyrian, why do they speak the Illyrian language ???
    -If Albanians are not Illyrian, why do they have Illyrian traditions and culture ???
    -If Albanians are not Illyrians, why has no migration ever been recorded from somewhere else here ???
    -If Albanians are not Illyrian, why have I collected 90-100 books so far where Albanians are presented as autochthonous and descendants of the Illyrians ???
    -If Albanians are not Illyrian, why did a friend of mine collect 3700 books, documents, studies where Albanians present themselves as Illyrians ???
    -If Albanians are not Illyrians, why did the most famous historians who have written the history of the world say that “Albanians are Illyrians” ???
    I think you are no one to dismiss the work and studies of hundreds of historians. I will try to contact the French historian and albanologist Mathieu Aref, to see what you are writing and to give an answer. I say for sure you are the “clown of lies”.

  103. Probably and Boris Yeltsin is Albanian from Kosovo-Dardania!

  104. The way you respond shows your educational and intellectual level.

    We know that Boris Ali Kemal’s great-grandfather is Ottoman, but the fact that he was born in Turkey does not make him Turkish. Boris Johnson is the great-grandfather of Ali Kemal, who was Albanian.
    Ryan Gingeras, professor at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey California, an expert on Turkey, the Balkans and the Middle East history, says in his book Ali Kemal was Albanian.
    He points out that Ali Kemal had a strong bond with the Albanians of the Ottoman Empire. According to Wikipedia, Ali Kemal had fled to England in 1909, where he had also created families. His great-grandson today is Boris Johnson.

    But our discussion is not about Boris Johnson but about the Illyrian origin of the Albanians that you irresponsibly and illogically reject. When you say Albanians are not Illyrian, call yourself living in the 19th century because the history that Albanians are Illyrian is certain now, a Vladislav cannot come out to throw the work of hundreds of historians. Can you refuse all these studies ?? I do not believe, i don’t believe you are smarter than they

    Expressions of foreigners for Albania and Albanians taken from books, documents and studies

    *** Milan von Sufflay
    *** Vinkentij Makušev
    *** Robert Elsie
    *** Carl Patsch
    *** Vladimir Emmanuilovich Orel
    *** Norbert Jokl
    *** Hermann Ilberg
    *** Aleksandar Stipčević
    *** Mark Snoj
    *** Oliver Jens Schmitt
    *** Ranko Matasović
    *** Eric P. Hamp
    -All these Albanologist support Illyrian heritage of Albanians

    🇮🇹➡️🇦🇱Agostino Ribeco: “The millennial rights of Albanians, ethnographic and geographical, extend from ancient times in Illyria, Macedonia and Thessaly.”

    🇸🇪➡️🇦🇱Johann Erich Thunmann: “The Illyrians and the Thracians are the same people and the Albanians are their direct descendants”

    🇭🇺➡️🇦🇱ajos Thallóczy: “Albanians and their language are one of the oldest, they and their language are the descendants of the Illyrians
    There are simple tales about the Serbian origin of Skanderbeg ”

    🇺🇸➡️🇦🇱Edwin Jasques: “The Illyrians or Albanians, these uneducated daughters, were Albanian warriors, worthy heirs of Achilles, Philip, Alexander the Great and Pyrrhus of Epirus.”

    🇩🇪➡️🇦🇱Georg ️Stadtmüller: “The Greek war for freedom could not be imagined without the Albanian element.” (Especially without Ali Pasha Tepelena, who incited the Uprising of 1821, and without whom, even if that uprising began, “it would be extinguished in the cradle” – it is said in the historical literature).

    🇬🇷➡️🇦🇱Madame Segna. Greek, mother of a French poet: The famous dance “hasapikos”, danced by the Arvanites and specifically by the butchers, “was a re-emergence of scenes of old warriors since the time of Alexander the Great.”

    🇬🇧➡️🇦🇱Edward Daniel Clarke: “Those descendants of Ancient Macedonian are Arnaud or Albanians”

    🇩🇰➡️🇦🇱Conrad Malte-Brun: “The soldiers of Alexander, Pyrrhus and Skanderbeg were the same people”

    🇫🇷➡️🇦🇱The famous French geographer, Reclysi, wrote as early as 1876: “Both the Gegs and the Tosks are descended from the ancient Pelasgians (Pre-Illyrians) and their social status, such as customs, customs, way of thinking and acting, do not exist. much changed from that of the Pelasgians three thousand years ago. Before barbaric immigration, Albanians inhabited the entire western part of the Balkan Peninsula, as far as the Danube.

    🇫🇷➡️🇦🇱A. Dimon wrote: “In Europe there is no race older than Albanians.”

    🇩🇪➡️🇦🇱Hobhaus said: “In Albania can be distinguished visible remnants of an ancient language that no longer exists.”

    🇩🇪➡️🇦🇱Kretschmer: “After the Hellenes, two Indo-European tribes also flocked from the North: the Thracians to the East, the Illyrians to the West, who filled the vast expanse of the Balkan Peninsula. Immigration took place in the second millennium BC and was carried out in waves, as was the case with Hellenic emigration.

    🇩🇰➡️🇦🇱Malte-Bryn (1755-1822), a well-known Danish geographer, claims that “Albanian is older than Greek, it is related to pre-Homeric Greek”.

    🇫🇷➡️🇦🇱Maurico Druon, secretary of the French Academy: “Albanians belong to older people than history itself. and the grandparents of the Albanians took part in the Trojan War, led by Achilles (on the one hand) and Hector (on the other).

    🇷🇴➡️🇦🇱Nikolae Iorga: “The Albanian people, together with the Basques, are the oldest in Europe.”

    🇫🇷➡️🇦🇱M. Huacunthe Hecquard: “Nowhere in the world are women more tolerated and more active than Albanians, and some Albanian mothers have driven their sons out of the house after they left the war front. They had returned them to the battlefield ( In illyrian times, womans can release a slave if their want, roman woman can’t, Queen Teuta led Illyrian Kingdom of Ardiaei against Romans, this was crazy in these times, a woman which rule a kingdom even in war times,, albanians have many Joan D’Arc womans which fights like Nora of Kelmendi (turks), Laskarina Bubullima(turks), Shote Galica(serbs).

    🇺🇸➡️🇦🇱”Albanian is the mother of Latin and Greek” National Geographic Society, Volume 59,1931 USA

    🇬🇧➡🇦🇱️Lord Byron: “Albanians with their costumes make a more wonderful landscape in the world… Albanians are the most beautiful human race that exists, stronger heroes than their castles.”

    🇷🇸➡🇦🇱️Braislav Nusic: “Albanians are autochthonous, who during all the invasions of peoples, preserved their type and character in a pronounced way. “They withstood the attacks of the Romans, the dense attacks of the Slavs, who conquered all their fields, lowlands, and rivers.”

    🇧🇬➡🇦🇱️Dusko H. Konstantinov: “Albanians are the oldest inhabitants of the Balkan Peninsula and direct descendants of the ancient Illyrians, who had built the most powerful state in the Balkans.”

    🇺🇸➡🇦🇱️Edvin Jasques: “The Illyrians or Albanians, these uneducated daughters, were Albanian warriors, worthy heirs of Achilles, Philip, Alexander the Great and Pyrrhus of Epirus.”

    🇬🇧➡🇦🇱️Edwin Pears: “Albanians are descendants of the oldest race of the Balkan Peninsula, respectively of the Arian race, deriving this word from the two roots of the Albanian words: Ar and An[ë] , which means Pure gold people”

    🇬🇷➡🇦🇱️Fanula Papazoglu: “Dardania(today’s Kosovo, 95% albanian) is one of the ancient provinces of the Balkans where the autochthonous population is best preserved.”

    🇫🇷➡🇦🇱️Jean Guss: “The origin of the Albanians goes back to the time of the Pelasgians and they have pre-Hellenic origins”.

    🇩🇪➡️🇦🇱Gustav Meyer: “Albanians are new illyrians”

    🇩🇪➡🇦🇱️Johan George von Hahn”: Albanians are descendants of Illyrians, while Illyrians are descendants of Pelasgians… Albanians are descendants of Pelasgians”

    🇹🇷➡🇦🇱️Hakki Pasha(turkish statistician) : “If the history of the Albanians is coming to the ground, the Ottoman Empire is being taken over by the river. ”

    🇬🇧➡🇦🇱️Harold Whitehal: “Egyptian hieroglyphs, created 4,000 years ago, have Albanian meanings.”,,, “Thoth speaked albanian” book by Mr.Giuseppe Catapano, thoth-thot means say in albanian

    🇬🇧➡️🇦🇱Henry Braisford: “In North Macedonia(FYROM), only Albanians are an indigenous people”

    🇷🇸➡🇦🇱️Jovan Cvijic: “Southern Slavs, after coming to the Balkans, found Albanians there, who under their pressure (Slavs) withdrew to the south and to the more mountainous places, where we still meet today.”

    🇬🇷➡🇦🇱️Konstandin Paparigopoulos: “Only Albanians are considered descendants of the Illyrian race.”

    🇬🇧➡🇦🇱️Hugh Callan(1899): Callan calls Albanians an old, noble, loyal, virtuous and hospitable race. Albanians catch things fast, like the Greeks, but they are more stable and like the Slavs, they take care to go deeper, without being as annoying as they are. They do not break the law.

    🇫🇷➡🇦🇱️Ami Boué (1840): Albanians are alive, smiling, agile, catching things quickly; proud and brave; work as they see fit. The savagery and lack of mercy are the result of the district in which they live. He lacks a sense of revenge and the Albanian takes revenge for being a social duty. Gegs, since they do not know how to overcome their mistakes, have something naive in their character. In particular, their leaders are politically shaky and take “bribes”; the Tosks have this even more. This is historically in albanians all our political leader even today are corrupted.

    🇬🇷➡️🇦🇱Michael Attaleiates. Byzantine chronicler. In 1034, he wrote: “The Arbanites(Albanians) are one of the strangest peoples. They have not been persuaded by Rome or Catholicism, I do not know how successful we will be. “They are still held back by their pagan origins and do not leave the country.”

    🇫🇷➡🇦🇱️Senechales the Great Prominent general from Normandy, c. XVI: “The Slavs are ruthless in war, they kill anyone they reach and they do not capture any prisoners of war, so we do the same to them. As for the Albanians, they behave completely differently and behave humanely towards the captured prisoners … in the army of King Luigj XII, a rank of 1200 Albanians was formed, who showed such great bravery that they became a symbol of the French armies. for nearly a whole century. So, the other kings of France, as commander of the army, always appointed an Albanian, as it was, for example, General Duke of Brisac, etc.

    🇺🇸➡🇦🇱️M.Ritton: “Arvanitas(albanians in Greece, moved there after turks invade Albania) women are cleaner than Greek women.”

    🇮🇹➡🇦🇱️Titus Livius: “The Romans were civilized by the Etruscans.” (Tosks – R.N.),,, south albania was and is called Tosca-Toska and some historians say that Toscana in Italy derived from this

    🇫🇷➡🇦🇱️Nostradamus: cantren 72 in centurion 10: ”(1999, the seventh month from sky will come the great king of terror who will resurrect the great Angulmues king. Before and after Mars he will lead fate.This is one of the few prophecies in Nostradamus that is dated exactly. We are dealing with the 7th month, that is, with July 1999. Strangely, in this month, the NATO air attack in Kosovo took place against the occupation of Serbia. Many university professors such as Brenenbah, of the University of Stillenbosk in America, etc., writes that this prophecy of Nostradamus was fulfilled with astonishing accuracy. The name Angulmues. Was interpreted as an Anglo-American correction or anagram name.

    -In the Centurion IV exactly in verse 98 of the State: (Albanians in Rome with shouts will arrive. Capturing Langres in the throat, the leader will not do Thanks to anyone blood, hunger, drought and permissions). Does this refer to the migration of albanians after the arrival of the turks, they go in Venice, Sicily, Sardegna and some historians say Bonaparte have albanian descent and a strong prove is that he have a great garnison of albanians and keep a respect among other garnisons. This is HYPOTHESE, so dont start to discuss about this.

    🇷🇸➡️🇦🇱Vuk Karadzic: “We Serbs should take the example of Albanians who belong to – three religions consider each other compatriots and a Muslim Albanian kills 10 Turks for a Christian Albanian, while a Catholic Albanian kills 10 Italians for a Muslim or Orthodox Albanian and also the orthodox Albanian kills 10 Greeks for a Muslim or Catholic Albanian ”. Otherwise, Karadzic has shown interest in Albanians, as was the Albanian edition of the “New Testament”, published in Corfu in 1827. However, the object of Vuk Karadzic’s interest is the history of Albanians, especially the period of Gjergj Kastriot-Skanderbeg and his personality. his. He prepared the book “Life of Gjergj Kastriot” for himself, for the Russian consul in Dubrovnik, as well as for other personalities of the literary, historical and cultural life of Serbia. He also collected 13 Albanian folk songs which in 1830 he sent to Jernej Kopitari. These songs were published in “Zbornik filoloshkih i lingvistçkih studija” in 1921, entitled “Arnautske…

    🇺🇸➡️🇦🇱Lands and peoples: the world in color, Volume 3, Gladys D. Clewell, Holland Thompson, The Grolier society, 1947, p. 54

    Probably less is known of Albania than of any other country in Europe, though Albania is the home of the oldest people of the Balkan Peninsula. In spite of many centuries under foreign rule, they have kept a national feeling and also a language and customs quite different from the people in the neighboring countries. They call their country Shqypnie, or Shqiperia, meaning the Land of the Eagles. So early was their beginning that history and even legend does not tell when they arrived.

    The Albanian language, which has survived so many centuries, has ever been a puzzle to philologists. Unlike the Greek or Slav of the neighboring countries, it is thought to have come from the primitive Illyrian, the language of Macedonia in the time of Alexander the Great. All attempts of the Serb, Greek and Turk have failed to destroy the Albanians love for it.

    🇩🇪➡️🇦🇱August Schleicher (1821-1868) , big german linguist, knower of all the ancient and modern indo-european languages.

    “Die Sprachen Europas in systematischer Uebersicht” 1850 ,new edit 1982, in this book he was not sure about the albanian language, if more close to the greek or latin, and considering it more close to greek ans calling the albanian language as the “copy of the pelasgic language”

    🇩🇰➡️🇦🇱Conrad Malte-Brun (1755-1826)
    “Annales des Voyages de la geographie et de l’historie” – paris 1809 In this book he express the thesis that the albanian language is related to the pre-homeric, and express the thesis of the descendenty of the albanians from the pelasgians.

    🇮🇹➡️🇦🇱Francesco D’Andria, italian archaeologist and historian Francesco D’Andria, who has been studying Messapians for over 50 years, said: “In the Messapian language is the key of Albanian language. There is no discussion about this but there is still much to discover ”

    🇫🇷➡️🇦🇱C.Baurain, Rome, 1989, page 131 “Heracles dans l’epopee homerique”, Heracles, actes de la table ronde de rome: “We have demostrations that supports that many things have been produced in a particular way where communities or groups of Greeks would want to make credible that they say in relation with their past, many Greek writers are become many fantasious connecting their descendancys from people not-Greeks and ancient logons between they and “hellens”, as theirs descendants.”

    🇫🇷➡️🇦🇱Eduard Schneider , french scholar, specialist of the etruscan language, he translated etruscan insctiptions throught the albanian language, afferming deeply the theory of the descentancy from the pelasgians of the albanians, as he write in his book publicated in Paris in 1894 “Une race oublièe. Les Pelasges et leurs descendantes”.

  105. Boiken thinks all of us are idiots. Citing some propaganda literature bot based on any historical evidence is for all Albanian forgerers “proof” of their geopolitical claims and aims.

    If you ask Boiken, Boris Godunov is also ethnic Albanian like Bulgarian interwar Tsar Boris as all Borises in the world are Albanians. Maybe and Boris Tadic is Albanian? (in fact he is Croat from Sarajevo). However, even Albanian historians are telling truth that Skanderbeg Kastriot was not Albanian as he was ethnic Serb.

  106. NATO’s occupation of Kosovo and its increasing militarization of the province is a threat to the world’s common security. Albanian occupation authorities continue their assault on human rights and fundamental freedoms, brutally silencing critics in civil society and the media, and curtailing religious freedom. Hundreds of individuals from Kosovo, including members of the Serb community, have been imprisoned by NATO-backed ethnic Albanian authorities – and some subjected to torture – for peaceful opposition to the occupation.

    Members of the Serb community continue to experience unjustified raids on their homes and churches, surveillance and intimidation by occupation authorities, restrictions on cultural events, and the criminalization of their representatives. Occupation authorities severely limit religious freedom, target religious believers with bogus terrorism charges, and destroy Orthodox Church shrines. Serbia calls on the United States to free all Serbs wrongfully imprisoned in Kosovo in retaliation for their peaceful dissent and to end Albanian abuses of fundamental freedoms in Kosovo.

    Twenty one years on, the US and NATO continue to rely on lies and disinformation in their failed attempt to legitimize the illegitimate. Their efforts are doomed to failure. The world will never forget NATO’s unprovoked invasion of Serbia. We condemn NATO’s illegal actions in Kosovo and its continued aggressive actions against Serbia, and will maintain sanctions against the US until NATO returns control of Kosovo to Serbia and fully implements its commitments under UN Security Council Resolution 1244.

  107. Carnex, the only idiot here is you. All these historians and geographers have made world history all these are honored by all today’s historians. Search in google who they are, search for their name. I will give another study from Albert Pike, one of most known masons in history, search in google and watch, all the world know him.
    🇺🇸➡️🇦🇱Albert Pike: “Pelasgians are Illyrians and Illyrian descents are remain Albanians, their language also was the same”. (Albert Pike in his book Irano-Aryan Faith and Doctrine as Contained in Zend-Avesta)

    So why all these historians have written for Albanians??
    You say propaganda, so why when these written for greeks, serbs, italiani, turks you didn’t call propaganda. So propaganda function only when these speak about Albanians and their history. Your logic and intelligence is 0, hate and jealousy for albanians have covered your logic.

    🇨🇿➡️🇦🇱Julius Pokorny: Albanians are descendants of Illyrians
    Search in google who Pokorny is. I have seen many times his name in greek Wikipedia pages, he is so honored in Greece for studies of their history. So he is good when speaks for greeks and idiot and propagandists when speak for Albanians??? Logic 0

    You have up, Ewin Pears said albanians are the oldest in Balkan. So Pears is idiot??? When he is idiot why he is idiot and propagandistic why he is honored in Greece for his studies with “Knight of the Order of the Saviour of Greece”.
    So go and search who these persons are and then call them propagandist and idiot. And not are just they, i have about 100-200 studies and documents from historians all around world saying albanians are Illyrian-Pelasgians, even University of Harvard and Cambridge,,, so Harvard and Cambridge are propagandists and idiots. Do you know who they are??????

  108. Profesor, you the one who wrote this shotty article, claiming that your dirty serbs did nothing wrong in Kosovo, and Gjergj Kastrioti was a serb proven by your mothers arses, sorry i meant sources, here is a fun fact, your last name eds with -Viç, which can be translated in Albanian pig so that was it, have a wonderful life hating on what you cant archive, because thats what you are, much hate and discuss from a citizen whoms people was manifested form thin air.

  109. Boiken,

    Those authors are not scientists as they are propagandists. We know well that Illyrian theory of Albanian ethnogenesis is pure Germanic project against Balkan Slavs and Greeks. Simply, geopolitical propaganda. BTW, there are even Albanian historians who oppose this fake theory.

  110. Cornex
    First non of them is Albanian, we also had a great and so studious historian called Eqrem Çabej(1908-1980) who studied all his life Pelasgian-llyrian theory and the information he have collected is a lot of. Also Nermin Vlora Falaschi, and im not including Arbëreshë(Itali-Albanian) and Hasan Tahsini(1811-1881), studied in Paris and was one of best scientists, astronomer, mathematicien and philosophers in Ottoman Empire. But if i send you studies of Albanians i know you would not belive so i send only European and American. If you call all these historians and studies propagandistic then i don’t know what to make with your “intelligence” and “logic”. But i don’t have only these historians i send up, i have collected also 2x more historians, British Encyclopedia, Harvard and Cambridge Universities, and many many studies of best Universities in world.

    Albanians are Illyrians and Illyrians are Pelasgians- Johan George Von Hahn 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱👐👐👐
    Love for all our allies 🇺🇸❤️🇦🇱❤️🇩🇪❤️🇮🇱❤️🇦🇹❤️🇹🇷

  111. My dear Boiken, British Encyclopedia, lollllllllllllllllllllllllll. Please, find something lesser funny.

  112. Laugh well who laughs last. 🇦🇱👐

  113. Ani you ‘turns off’ the “professor”, but I don’t know if we can call her a “professor” because in the way of his logic and interpretation he looks like those childrens who are learning the alphabet. Albanians are not Illyrians because they have the names Ibrahim, Isa, Ahmet, etc., that is, with the logic of “professor” and Italians are not Romans because they have names Matteo, Andrea, Christiano and these are Christian names, the Roman Empire was pagan in the beginning. Do you understand the logic of the professor, if you have the name Ibrahim you are Arab if you have Vasil you are Greek and if you have Mark you are from Mars, hahahahhahhahahaha

  114. I sincerely have never a single albanian commenting or insulting any other culture in any other threads or videos with racist notions, I read all that you’ve been writing about Boiken, and it’s all true! I used to live in Greece and even the teachers and historians there acknowledged the iyliarans as proto-albanians! Beyond all the racist slurs and offenses my father has been telling me you can’t argue with ignorance. they love us that much that they cant take us out of their nickle-sized brain and they start making articles and denying everything so maybe they can grab our attention. Let them be

  115. Ani
    Its ridiculous how a “professor” talk in this way, it out of logic. All i posted up was from European and American scholars and historians, no one was albanian. Lets leave these racists to stay in darkness of ignorance, the hate have covered their logic. I will not comment anymore in this page, i guess all is explained in my comment up, historians have explained so well that Albanians are Illyrians. And i want to end with Father Gjergj Fishta phrase: “When serbs came from Ural caves, Albanians have completed their 2000 years of civilization” 🇦🇱👐🇦🇱

  116. In the Balkans there is such proverb: “If no Croats then Albanians would be the biggest forgers of history”.

  117. Non professors are shitting against professor

  118. @Carnex, everyone knows that you are one of the many accounts of this so-called “professor” Sotiroviç. So, you are an internet troll, not an scholar.

  119. I am danish serb living In Denmark. My dad is from serbia and my mum is Danish. First of all i Want to say that i am very embarrased about the tone here, i feel like we serbs have such a bad image after the stupid crap on Balkan, and i of course understand, and i really hope someday that we leave this stupid nationalism behind, not only In serbia But also other countries on Balkan. I am also very embarrased that In serbia we still deny the srebrenica massacre and ethnical cleansing of albanians. I hope the younger generation Will leave this stupid nationalism and denial behind. Germany freaking acknowlegde the killings of jews and has done so much to Rebuild germanys image by not tolerating nazism and so on. And now EVERYBODY loves germany! Why the hell cant we do the same In serbia? We are smarter than this! I am so tired of all this crap. EVERYBODY knows the truth because media In Denmark are very objective. I know there were a lot of propaganda during the Balkan war on serbian television, so many Serbians were brainwashed by Milosevic But please many serbians didnt know. Serbian people were fooled by Milosevic. 😖 The other thing is, i live In Denmark and i was very curious about Reading about serbians heritage But also About albanians because of the whole Kosovo-conflict. In Danish history books it says that serbs, bosnians, croats and so on are from the slavs who CAME to balkan while albanians are most likely from illyrians who was already on balkan. Albanian and greek is also considered as one of the Oldest speaking languages in Europe according to Danish history. No where In Danish history books it Is Said that we serbs are from Illyrians or even considered to be from illyrians. I just am tired of seeing fucking propaganda again and again. CAN WE STOP IT. I am so embarresed to be Serbian. And i always say i am Danish when people ask. i am so happy i live In Denmark where i Can read the truth. We have ZERO propaganda In Denmark. I Showed my dad this Danish history book and he Said “we were taught something Else In serbian schools” This makes me furious because this is excatly why we still have so much problems In serbia because we are being lied to. Please read international books and not books from your own country. And again please let us leave this stupid nationalism behind, EVERYBODY on Balkan please.

  120. Aaaah this is crap. My whole freaking message didnt get posted? Why! Or did i delete it? I am HALF SERBIAN AND HALF DANISH WHO LIVES IN DENMARK! In Danish history books it says that serbian, croats, bosnian and so on are SLAVS who invaded Balkan. Albanians Are Considered to be Illyrian according to history books. NO WHERE In Danish history books are we serbs even mentioned as illyrian. Greek and albanian are also considered as the oldest language In europe according to the books. If you dont believe please come to Denmark and read In the libraries. I feel ashamed of being a serb and always tell that i am Danish. I know EVERYBODY hates us because of all the wars we started on Balkan, and we still deny screbrenica and the albanian etnical cleasning. WHY ARE WE DOING THIS. The whole World knows the truth. We are acting so stupid. science, history and so on In Denmark is objektive, we have zero propaganda like In serbia. I even showed the history book to my father who is Serbian, he Said they were taught something Else In serbia, that serbs are illyrian. I am so embarrased. Like wtf are we teaching kids In serbian schools Propaganda? Stop it. please read international books. There you find the truth

  121. Your comment is very important because you show what you learn in Denmark, the true story. Albanians and Serbs have lived together as neighbors for almost 13 centuries and still do not understand each other. Serb teachers still teach the children a false history. The Serbian church still spreads religious and national intolerance.
    Serbs at least could learnt two things from the Albanians for 13 centuries: BESA and the RELIGIOUS-NATIONAL TOLERANCE. Unfortunately, htey have never learned anything, since the false pride blinds them!!

  122. Thank you for you words but no one will listen to them here, and these pseudo-intelectuals claim that Albania was brainwashed during the communist era to believe we were ilyrian-related, while its quite the opposite the dictator vanished everything related to history, religion and many other things.

  123. Yes i know, thats why i wanted to show what we learn here In Denmark. It is Fully accepted among historicans that we are slavs who invaded Balkan. I dont know why we are trying to change the history, it is so embarassing!!! 😖😖😖 Denmark would never have such stupid shit In the history books if it was a Lie. And IF it was false, trust me they would change the books and correct Them. Also look up what The Serbian historian Rade Mihaljcic said! His history book is banned In serbia. This says so much about serbia. I am so embarresed about my country. They are like russia nr 2. I am so happy i live here!

  124. One of the atrocities committed by the Serb military in Kosovo in 1999, where hundreds of innocent civilians were killed, was RACAK.

    ***

    Dr. Sotirovic (the author of this Article), send me the following answer:
    ————————————–
    RACAK 1999!!!!

    Jedi govna picka ti materina šiptarska!

    With best regards,

    Dr. Vladislav B. Sotirovic
    ————————————–

    He’s a sick psychopath. Nobody can help him:-(, and unfortunately there is a large number of Serbs who still support this kind of psychopaths (the typical serbian historians):-(.

    You are lucky that you are a danish serb, and you do not learn anything from “teachers” like Sotirovic:-).

  125. Shpend is typical Albanian provacatour and liar. Concerning Elena, I believe she never saw Denmark. Laberia, Elena and Shpend are the same trolls.

  126. This was e-mail I received on June 12 this yea from Shpend:

    “Fucking you Russians, Greeks and Serbs, Germans killed you not enough! We will kill all Serbs in Kosova and Greeks in Cameria!!! Long live Grande Albania! Crimea is Ukraine!!!!”

    You can understand that Albanians are sadists, psychpats, and muss killers.

  127. I live In a town called Roskilde that is like 20-30 km away from Copenhagen. If you ever visit Copenhagen some day, please visit “Det kongelige bibliotek” In Copenhagen. Biggest library In Copenhagen. :-) its embarrising you are calling yourself a professor when you barely know our history? You would never have gotten your titel In Denmark. the funny thing is EVERYBODY In serbia is demonstrating against vucic because of his dictatorship and controlling of media. Serbia never Got democravy after Milosevic. Think about that. Serbia is full of propaganda. You cannot trust anything that comes out of that country. Its the same with russia. I hope we get a good Leader someday. Read books that are not from Balkan, then you Will find the truth. Anyway i am not for discussing more as this has nothing to do with history science But only propaganda. Its very low level. May you all have a good day.

  128. To Elena

    You are typical anti-Russian troll paid by some NATO/EU NGO to spread russophobic and serbophobic propaganda.

    Just read this by her: “They are like russia nr 2. I am so happy i live here!” What is wrong with Russia?

    Btw, Vucic is EU/NATO clown working against Serbia for Edi Rama. Your knowledge of Balkan history and politics is zero! You have connections with any library as using free WC inside.

  129. dude wtf are you talking about are you for real, PAID by nato? Why you should offend anyone who express their opinion regardless of what you and your sympathies for war crimes were not either mentioned or offended, are you for real? You express your fcking opinion no one bats an eye on it she says I live in Denmark and you are spreading hate and awfully illustrated propaganda and she is all paid and stuff, take some nivea for your butthurt =-hole

  130. What is wrong with russia? Are you freaking kidding me? They have killed doctors for speaking out about corona, dont you think Its funny that a lot of doctors have “fallen” out of the windows? 🤔 russia is also banned from a lot of sport due to their state financial doping, they say they had nothing to do with the malaysian airline plane they shot Down although every EVIDENCE say it was the russians. Russia kills their criticals too! Look at Aleksej Who was just poison, he is In germany now. I love the russian people they are very sweet But they HATE Putin and his people! Also the russian vaccine is ready for corona?! Are you seriously kidding me! Medicine and vaccines have to go through 4 phases! That typically takes a couple of years. You are so naiv and stupid if you think nothing is wrong with russia. Again all this is controlled In serbias media, so thats why you dont know better. But i done blame you. Gosh i hope serbia get their freedom some day!

  131. For Sotirovic, you live in a very dark virtual reality, filled with lies and legends. If you want to write something about Albanians, go quietly to Albania and Kosovo, learn the Albanian language and their History, read many books and scientific articles written by German, English, French authors and so on. Only in this way you can write something meaningful.

    If you love Serbia, just stop feeding your people with propaganda and pseudo-science like Milosevic.

    Serbia needs people like Elena…

  132. Elana, you are typical NATO troll who is spreading NATO/EU fake news and false flags. Pseudo-science are books by Noel Malcolm and Albanian propaganda garbages about Kosovo and Albania.

  133. How works dirty Albanian serbophobic propaganda:

    “One of the atrocities committed by the Serb military in Kosovo in 1999, where hundreds of innocent civilians were killed, was RACAK.”

    Truth:

    1. It was regular police forces not military.
    2. No hundreds but ONLY 42. Hundreds means from 200 to 999. In this case it was 42 (ONLY) compared with HUNDREDS.
    3. They have not been innocent civilians as they have been redressed KLA terrorist bandits who have been neutralized by police a day ago in fair fight around the village of Rachak. All of those 42 were adult males even some of them in parts of military dresses and amblemes of terrorist KLA.

    Enough!!!!!

  134. are you seriously justifying a massacre you motherfucker?

  135. Albanians are doing massacres in Kosovo for the last 300 years. They are people of genocide and killing gens.

  136. If Albanians “are doing” massacres today or in the past I would feel ashamed not proud and bragging about it, you’re still fighting with ghosts of the past, still with that Kosovo is Serbia shit, grow the fuck up

  137. Carnex please change your citizens. I dont Want to share my half nationality with you. You idol is probably hitler. we started war In slovenia, croatia, bosnia and Kosovo under the milosevic regime. No war was started In serbia by these countries. milosevic regime killed croats, bosnians and albanians and raped so many women, because Milosevic wanted a Big serbia. EVERYBODY knows this. if we respected albanians rights when kosovo was a provins of ours we would still have Kosovo. Albanians lived In apartheid and Milosevic closed schools, universities, kicked albanians out of their jobs. Do you really think that people wanted to live under these conditions? EVERYBODY Wants to live In freedom. Its funny that serbians are protesting against vucics regime But still are supporting Milosevic actions back then 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ Hypocrites much!! We serbs have such a bad reputation In the World because we still deny anything and play the victims. Its so embarrising. Even in Denmark we have a bad reputation. I still get asked if Its safe to travel to Beograd or if they should be afraid of nazis or being killed because they are jews or protestants. This is so sad! Because our land is really beautiful. I try to speak good about our people, most of us are really good people. But we were not the Victims under the Balkan-wars because we started all 4 Wars. Also the court In haag speaks for it self, But according to you mladic and his friends are probably innonence. LMAO! Also albanians were the only country In Europe That saved all their Jews and immigrant jews under the WW2 when it was under the german nazi-regime. What did we do? 🤦‍♀️ We showed loyality to the nazis, omfg! 🤢🤢🤢🤢Again all this is the reason why i hide my half nationality. Not because of all the stupid things we have done, Because germany did the same, But because we dont regognize all This shit we did and still play the victims! we Can learn so much from germans! Over n Out!

  138. To Elena

    You are from Serbia as I am from the moon.

    You are in Denmark as I am in Jupiter.

    P.S.

    Kosova Albanians participated in full in Jewish holocaust in WWII. Remember SS Skanderbeg Division!!!!!!

    Please, do not shit anymore!!!! But, really please.

  139. To ….7

    Only during WWII Kosova Albanians massacred at least 20.000 ethnic Serbs and expelled at least 100.000 of them from the region. This is only the peak of iceberg in their historical massacres.

  140. oh really, I see, all those deaths it seems that they forgot a few

  141. After June 1999 up to day, at least 80% of Kosova Serbs are forced to leave the region. The KLA gangsters were coming to Serbian houses or flats with guns and giving them 15 min. to leave their properties.

  142. If you came and occupy my home too, I would do exactly the same thing, also dont mess up the history, also my grandpa hold 12 people from Kosova in his household so please shut the fuck up

  143. Muslim Albanians came from Albania after 1753 to occupy Kosova and to kill Christian Serbs. In 1455, only 2% of Albanians lived in Kosova. Today, Albanians are 95% of Kosova population. It is clear who expelled whom from their homes

  144. Giacomo Peroti

    As remember Professor Vladislav Sotirovich as visiting lecturer at the Faculty of Political Science, at the University of Pisa, Pisa, Italy, November 14, 2011 when he gave to us public lecture: “Serbia, Kosovo and the European Union” (sponsored by ERASMUS/SOCRATES Program). We really enjoyed the lecture by one nonpartisan, maximally professional and brave lecturer whom you really can trust. The lecture was based on many historical sources, photos, reports, etc. showing a real historical and contemporary picture of Albanian-Serb relations in Kosovo. Only three Albanians protesting with swearing words and security expelled them from the auditorium. Letar we got info that those Albanians attacked by knifes Prof. Sotirovich on the street nearby his hotel.

    Prof. Sotirovich is a man of justice, science and providence. Thank you for your lecturing.

  145. redrosevertigo7

    Of course you would like an lecture promoting mascares and violations of human rights, im out of this nonsense

  146. oh really, I see, all those deaths it seems that they forgot a few https://www.myeasymusic.ir/

  147. Giacomo Peroti

    I need truth based on scientific research but not juornalistic propaganda, false flags and fake news as obviuosly you enjoy as the “truth”

  148. redrosevertigo7

    Dude shut your hell up I literally searched about the “incident” with the knives lmao yall keep triping balls, anyone with a diploma can write now articles, keep up with lies and fake acounts

  149. You must be ashamed, especially in front of your people, that you constantly spread lies.You must be ashamed of your children, of your doctorate, which you are not worthy of being neither a father nor a scientist. You misuse the money of the EU taxpayers (ERASMUS ). You are good for something; and that is you are the best candidate for the leading role in a new version of Hitchcock’s psycho film.
    Use your intelligence for positive things, this is the only way you can help yourself, your children and your people. Don’t waste your time writing about the origin of Albanians…

  150. To Peroti

    My public lecture was exactly on November 15 about Kosovo in 2011. There were two persons by knifes who attacked me around 21:45 min. in front of my hotel. The third one was sitting in the car across the street. These two attackers had the phantom masks but I believe all three of them were the “students” from class-room of my lecture. The lecture was publicly announced some two months before at the university and internet. It is not difficult to conclude three of them had nothing with the university, they were professional mafia members financed by Italian Albanian criminal gangs. Nevertheless, the case is recorded by Italian police as hotel receptionist call immediately Caraninieri to arrive.

  151. „Dr“ Sotirovic you are also a clown🤥🤥🤥.
    Now I understad why you are so interested on the origin of Albanians😀😀😀

  152. My god you are like those over obsessed girlfriends that opens an webpage just to hate on their failed relationship, if someone had attacked you, most probably would be world news by now, or why there isn’t any article providing infos about world famous professor Sotirobitch was attacked by italo-albanian mafiosos in the entrance of the hotel, lmao man I really cant anymore, why would the mafia give a flying fuck to hire hitmans for a failed “professor”, why you so obsessed with Albanians man, you need to grow up seriously and use a little bit more facts and little less fantasy in your textbooks, I never heard an Albanian write bad things about your idiotic fascist propaganda, did an Albanian fucked your mother? That must be the reason, also next time,I suggest to hold an anti rape whistle old man, you never know, all those crimes your heroes have commit may came back one day, fucking hammals, came to europe like workers and servants and occupied countries and now you’re acting like you own the world. Write whatever the fuck you want, promote hatred among people, history was written and cant be changed no matter doctorates an anti Albanian can have, so shove it up your ass, and beat it, fucking hypocrite. History was indeed written, but it was written with blood, innocent blood.
    Have fun with your articles, cunt

  153. Hey Shpend I swear this kind of performance beats Joaquin’s Joker, maybe he deserves an os-kar too you know, for best screen writing

  154. Giacomo Peroti

    Thank you Dr. Sotirovich,

    I remember when already you left Pisa, some police officer came to our Department of Political Sciences to investigate the case of the criminal attack on you in front of the hotel. Those three qusi-students never after appeared at the faculty building that means they have not be a real students just being provocatours in the class-room. I realy believe, the whole action against you was well-planned criminal activity by Albanian mafia in Italy. We are full of those Albanian garbages who are criminals, bandits and working for Cosa Nostra.

    God bless you Prof. Sotirovich!

  155. Did you suck his dick before the conference or in between the cosa nostra incident? Im writing a book too and I need the detailed info. Stop the masquerade, please, and use a more non-common Italian fake name ignorant

  156. Yes redrosevertigo7, you are right, he could excellently play the role of Joaquin’s Joker 😀 but the role of Norman Bates is not bad for him either, because he looks “harmless”, just “a bit vicious sometimes”.

    —————
    oh my poor “Profesor” 😬😬

    …These two attackers had the phantom masks 👻financed by Italian Albanian criminal gangs and professional mafia…😬😬😬

  157. mm Vladislav B. SOTIROVIĆ

    The books or any writing by Rade Mihaljchich have been never banned in Serbia! This is pure Albanian propaganda. Contrary, this book Stefano Pollo, Arben Puto. The History of Albania. London, Boston, Hebley: Routledge & Kegan, 1981 was banned in Albania as on the page 37 was clearly written that Balkan Albanians came from Caucasus and having nothing with Balkan Illyrians

  158. https://www.ocnal.com/2018/02/serbian-historian-rade-mihaljcic.html?m=1 HERE is the article where it says that his book has been forbidden. I cant read albanish 😂 only Danish and english, so Its not albanian propaganda. Also you know that we slavs came into Balkan in early 7th century. You Can find all this on the internet too. Just google it. We are freaking not from illyrians 😂 Can you please send me a link where history scientists say we are illyrians? Send me a link thank you :-).

  159. I’m wasting my time…

    Anyway, I will say a few words for Elena.
    I am very glad that there are Serbs like Rade Mihaljcic, like you and others, who try to see and tell the truth! I hope Serbia will be led by these people in the future.

    I am Albanian and live between Kosova/Albania and Western Europe. Although we had and we still have an antagonistic relationship with Serbs, I never taught my children to hate Serbs or any nation in this world. I have learned them to fight against criminal acts and for justice and freedom.

    There are Caucasus Greeks and there existed an state of Caucasus Albania. This state probably existed from about the end of the 4th century B.C. until the first half of the 9th century more or less sovereignly from the neighboring empires.

    If it is claimed that today’s Balkan Albanians have their origin from Caucasus, then it must be proven, and in the same time you have to say that Greeks have also Caucasian origin But nowadays this is impossible, because there are neither linguistic nor cultural similarities. There is a lot of research for Sotirovic, but firs he must learn Albanian :-).

    Certainly Rade Mihaljcic and other serious authors have written a lot about the Illyrian origin of the Albanians. In this commentary I would like to give some of my original linguistic evidence of how old and beautiful the Albanian language is.

    -In Albanian del (dol) means go out, hin means go in. Dol-phin swims through jumping out and in water. Or peshku- means pesc or fish. (Pe) in albanian means to see and (shku) go away.

    -Bar-ber works with sccisors in albanian ger-sher.

    In albanina eye means sy (read si). What you do with eyes? you see.

    -To know in Albanian one say (di), and for new one say (ri) in English rea-di-ng.

    -In Greek thot-os means Got in Albanian (thot) means to say, and (osht) means is.
    The meaning of thotos is what he say so it is.

    -Atom means un-separable in Albanian (pandam).

    -Shigjeta (in albanian) is the oldest human weapon, there is a constellation of stars called Sagitarius.

    This short introduction is just to motivate anybody to learn Albanian, because it is the oldest Indo-European languages, and to respect this old language not because Albanians speak it but because the etymology of any word in IE-languages can be deduced.

    I think the main “religion” of Albanians is their language. It must be respected also Arvanitish in Greece, and arberish in Italy.

  160. mm Vladislav B. SOTIROVIĆ

    Rade Mihaljcic was Communist Party cadre at Belgrade University, Faculty History. He was my professor. During his lectures and seminars you had to follow official Communist ideology and historiography that was obviously anti-Serbian and anti-Slavic. He was not serious scholar as he was ideologically on the party line. Such authors are invalid. There are more anti-scholar cases at Belgrade University, Faculty of History as Branko Petranovic – professor of History of Yugoslavia who was following 100% the party line. Who wrote what is not important. It is important when, where and why it is written. For, instance, the truth about Albanian origins could not be written or lectured in Albania but by emigrant scholars yes. That is the case with Stefano Pollo and Arben Puto.

  161. I was student at History Dept. in 1990-94 of Belgrade University. V. Sotirovic is totally right about Mihaljchic, Petranovic and the rest like them. Mihaljchic was not banned in Serbia but however, he was for many years the author of primary school text books about national and Balkan history in Middle Ages where, for 6 grade students, he promulgated Albanian propaganda that Albanians are Illyrians. Students had to learn such propaganda.

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